How will Ford "Raptor" respond to Rebel TRX V8? GM lurking too.

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I wonder how many Raptor owners use them for off-road use. And how many potential Raptor customers would welcome a power-plant that competes with the Hellcat. I would bet that there are a lot of folks who would love to see a monster V8 (and only a V8) mill to compete with the Hellcat.
I'm a Raptor owner that would love to see a supercharged V8. I'm not going to pay $80K or $90K for it though. That's probably where the MSRP of a V8 supercharged Raptor would be. ADM would easily put it over $100K. The TRX will be priced in this area as well.
 

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And with that, I’m out....you win lol


How’s the saying go...never argue with......
You don't go offroad do you? Either that or you have a mall crawler of some sort.

Also, no comprehension of suspension travel, shock size/weight, the ability to tuck massive tires, suspension being entirely on Heim joints etc etc.

You probably also think a built prerunner is comfy on the street.

So tell me, is this new TRX going to be like a TT? I really bet you think it will
 

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You don't go offroad do you? Either that or you have a mall crawler of some sort.

Also, no comprehension of suspension travel, shock size/weight, the ability to tuck massive tires, suspension being entirely on Heim joints etc etc.

You probably also think a built prerunner is comfy on the street.

So tell me, is this new TRX going to be like a TT? I really bet you think it will
I actually think he has more knowledge than we do but that won’t change your thoughts.

If dodge/ram is creating real raptor competition they should have multiple off road race drivers/engineers that have more knowledge than the people here.
I’m hoping they are able to use the suspension they create with the TRX that goes with the power train. It be sweet if the can build a streetable 1/2 trophy truck we can buy.
 

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I actually think he has more knowledge than we do but that won’t change your thoughts.

If dodge/ram is creating real raptor competition they should have multiple off road race drivers/engineers that have more knowledge than the people here.
I’m hoping they are able to use the suspension they create with the TRX that goes with the power train. It be sweet if the can build a streetable 1/2 trophy truck we can buy.
Well I await his facts because Ram destroying Raptor cuz horsepower is simply wrong. I've been obsessing over, building and driving LT trucks for years so im not just making shit up either.
 
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I do believe ram has a head start with the 4 coil springs over the leaf. If I’m not mistaken race trucks don’t use leaf springs.
Depends on the class. Read up on what Giant 64/Deaver springs can do, the multi link stuff on OEM's is a huge crutch. It provides a nicer ride but very travel limited compared to a proper 3/4 link or LT leafs which you'll never see on an OEM.

Ram Runner was a huge fail
 

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Depends on the class. Read up on what Giant 64/Deaver springs can do, the multi link stuff on OEM's is a huge crutch. It provides a nicer ride but very travel limited compared to a proper 3/4 link or LT leafs which you'll never see on an OEM
Are they running leafs because of class restrictions or because they are better? What do trophy trucks run?
 

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Are they running leafs because of class restrictions or because they are better? What do trophy trucks run?
No leafs are certainly inferior, but... As quick bolt on options it might be quite debatable against these 5 link setups from the factory and in bolt on applications. It's hard to start comparing trucks like the Raptor and the TRX to true offroad race rigs because they are not comparable.

There are certain classes in offroad racing that require leafs, they can still be damn deadly fast offroad with big boy bypasses.

Trophy trucks run a true 3 or 4 link setups like I have on my truck. They are around 32" travel, I have 28". Raptors are around 14" which is likely the max of a Ram's stock pivot points. Raptors on aftermarket leafs can do around 20"
 

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Ford doesn't have the guts to put a real motor in the Raptor, just as they didn't have the guts to put a real motor in the Ford GT. The GT500 is the only thing I have seen them do that has a proper engine.
 

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Ram is going to crush it with the Rebel TRX. Im sorry, but in metrics that matter to most buyers, a 707HP blown Hellcat engine as a base to build from will be MUCH more desirable than the Raptor.

Make no mistake, the Raptor is impressive and extremely capable. But not giving the OPTION for a Coyote will be a poor decision in the long run when FCA will be pumping out as many Rebel TRX's as they can make. I love my GT500, but if I had to choose between a TRX and a Raptor, Im going TRX.

If FCA can improve camshaft lubrication and optimize the torque curve for off-roading in the Hellcat, its going to be hard for Ford to justify its engine options AND its stance on dealer ADMs.

Parts of your post makes zero sense and here is why,

If Ford makes an extremely capable truck both in off road capabilities and on road power and handling with a hybrid V6 why would they need to have a coyote option? Just for the sake of ppl wanting to say " oh I have a V8" ? Its dumb , if your more concerned about that then there are plenty of trucks with a V8 .....the trx being one of them.

My personal preference is having the better overall truck and right now Ford has that with a V6....I hope the trx comes in and beats the Gen 2 in every way so Ford will make the Gen 3 that much better and if they do it without a V8 options I'm ok with that.
 

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Ford doesn't have the guts to put a real motor in the Raptor, just as they didn't have the guts to put a real motor in the Ford GT. The GT500 is the only thing I have seen them do that has a proper engine.

Hahaha....the guts lol....ahhhhhh I love the stupidity on this site
 

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I wouldn’t buy a V6 Raptor when there’s the 7.3 tremor. But a Hellcat powered ram is better than both of those.


Pick your poison.

A raptor and a F250 tremor are two Completely different trucks lol.....

I did look into both and found they serve 2 different purposes
 

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I can't wait for the TRX to come out. Gonna be BEAST!!! I hope it sounds like what it sounds like in those spy videos. Disgustingly great!
Will come with a hefty price tag as well. lol

Is The TRX supposed to be a direct competitor to the Raptor? I always thought the Raptor was more of an off-road truck than street truck?
I think the TRX is more of a street truck than an off-road truck, am I wrong here?
 

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A raptor and a F250 tremor are two Completely different trucks lol.....

I did look into both and found they serve 2 different purposes

I’d use them both the same way. The ecoboost doesn’t interest me, hence the 7.3 would be my buy. If the TRX is what we’re led to believe it will be then I’d do that instead of a Ford. Though I haven’t seen a truck yet that would make me want to get rid of my Silverado for.


Pick your poison.
 

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I can't wait for the TRX to come out. Gonna be BEAST!!! I hope it sounds like what it sounds like in those spy videos. Disgustingly great!
Will come with a hefty price tag as well. lol

Is The TRX supposed to be a direct competitor to the Raptor? I always thought the Raptor was more of an off-road truck than street truck?
I think the TRX is more of a street truck than an off-road truck, am I wrong here?

The original concept for the TRX was an offroad truck.

And I assume it will be built to compete with the Raptor. Hopefully, they leak more info soon.

Definitely am interested, but gonna wait to see how well it does.
 

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Parts of your post makes zero sense and here is why,

If Ford makes an extremely capable truck both in off road capabilities and on road power and handling with a hybrid V6 why would they need to have a coyote option? Just for the sake of ppl wanting to say " oh I have a V8" ? Its dumb , if your more concerned about that then there are plenty of trucks with a V8 .....the trx being one of them.

My personal preference is having the better overall truck and right now Ford has that with a V6....I hope the trx comes in and beats the Gen 2 in every way so Ford will make the Gen 3 that much better and if they do it without a V8 options I'm ok with that.
I see your points and there is validity to them. The 3.5EB is a capable engine making sufficient power for the appliation.

The issue with Ford is that they have a CLEAR mandate from their customer base that they WANT a V8 option. I'd bet $20 that a guy with a Coyote that decides to either S/C or TT his COYOTE Raptor would have a far more enjoyable truck. Because #V8, and THAT is what demand is for.

Ignoring that is where Ram will seize the opportunity. You can already get a Ram Rebel with a V8. Soon you'll be able to get a Hellcat powered TRX Rebel with a more capable suspension that is a more direct competitor to Raptor.

The Raptor IS a great truck as is, but it lacks the soul of a V8 powered truck. In fact I was following a Raptor EB this morning. He hit the gas to pass a car in front of me and... well...i was let down by what i heard.

It's just the reality of things.

If Ford really wanted to play the CAFE game with F150, they could offer the base engine in a Regular Cab, short bed 4x2 as a 2.3L EB tuned for fuel economy. They'd only have to make a handful for them to count.
 

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