The Minneapolis Police Choke an Unarmed Handcuffed Black Man to Death

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I guess I am off there but I don't think they will get called up unless it drastically escalates tonight or tomorrow. Burning a few stores isn't enough, but they will call them up if people start getting dragged out of their cars and beaten or if violent confrontations start happening more often during the looting. From my recollection, the LA riots were still far more violent than what we are seeing now. Putting active duty units on notice is just standard procedure but I don't think we have seen enough yet for them to get deployed. It's going to take a lot more fire or a lot more violence.

Seems no city has control right now. Looters are active in multiple cities. Again, looters, not protesters. I just saw KILL COPS spray painted in Oakland. Folks on live stream are saying stuff like "down with capitalism, it's time we get our, these are OUR streets now!"
 

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With adrenalin pumping low oxygen, heart failure killed him. The man was 6'6 face down with his hands behind his back. Throw in some Oxy or some other drugs, its lights out even for the healthiest. Most Police are trained to avoid this issue.
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Seems no city has control right now. Looters are active in multiple cities. Again, looters, not protesters. I just saw KILL COPS spray painted in Oakland. Folks on live stream are saying stuff like "down with capitalism, it's time we get our, these are OUR streets now!"

I'm waiting for ANTIFA to make their move, if they haven't already. They seem to have been awfully quiet lately so it makes me wonder what they are planning. They have made some threats but no action.

I'm not doubting they would ever call up active duty, but I'm just saying that it is going to take a lot more than what we are seeing so far. I was with 3/1 and we did riot training and the training was based around all out contact. They would split us up as rioters and LE and run scenarios where they told the rioters to do pretty much whatever they wanted and we had to defend and take control. It was essentially like watching a battle as dudes would come running and drop kick right into the shields while others would try to get through the line to compromise it and break up the line. The riots we have seen the last couple years have been pretty soft as far as the rioters taking on the cops, just a couple instances where they pushed back against the cops but they were never able to overwhelm them. An infantry battalion will get activated when those instances become lopsided against the cops and they start to lose.
 

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These POS are speading like a wild fire. They had 880 shut down in Oakland tonight and 101 in san jose. Just crazy.
 

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I'm waiting for ANTIFA to make their move, if they haven't already. They seem to have been awfully quiet lately so it makes me wonder what they are planning. They have made some threats but no action.

I'm not doubting they would ever call up active duty, but I'm just saying that it is going to take a lot more than what we are seeing so far. I was with 3/1 and we did riot training and the training was based around all out contact. They would split us up as rioters and LE and run scenarios where they told the rioters to do pretty much whatever they wanted and we had to defend and take control. It was essentially like watching a battle as dudes would come running and drop kick right into the shields while others would try to get through the line to compromise it and break up the line. The riots we have seen the last couple years have been pretty soft as far as the rioters taking on the cops, just a couple instances where they pushed back against the cops but they were never able to overwhelm them. An infantry battalion will get activated when those instances become lopsided against the cops and they start to lose.

I'm just saying it seems every city with looting, is powerless. I'm watching some famous mural painter in downtown LA: Login • Instagram

10 officers marched by, saying to leave the area...and not 45 seconds after they walked by, folks smashed more windows in the starbucks and are stealing coffee and such
 

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Jesus ****ing Christ.

I may be wrong but sometimes this thread seems like hungry wolves for mor bullshit?



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With adrenalin pumping low oxygen, heart failure killed him. The man was 6'6 face down with his hands behind his back. Throw in some Oxy or some other drugs, its lights out even for the healthiest. Most Police are trained to avoid this issue.View attachment 1643343

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Correct. This is likely the case. I’m a bigger person and being cuffed in any position causes extra effort to breathe. Face down is extra difficult.


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I'm just saying it seems every city with looting, is powerless. I'm watching some famous mural painter in downtown LA: Login • Instagram

10 officers marched by, saying to leave the area...and not 45 seconds after they walked by, folks smashed more windows in the starbucks and are stealing coffee and such

Essentially they are powerless which is why they are not engaging to stop it. Just hoping it will burn itself out rather than fight it and make it worse. As long as they don't set the whole city on fire and cause a mass casualty event then they will just try to maintain it as much as possible and let it run its course.
 

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Essentially they are powerless which is why they are not engaging to stop it. Just hoping it will burn itself out rather than fight it and make it worse. As long as they don't set the whole city on fire and cause a mass casualty event then they will just try to maintain it as much as possible and let it run its course.

But we had Minneapolis first. Then last night was St Paul and a little but of other cities. Tonight we have like 6-12 major US cities. Seems to be increasing, like "Hey let's go looting tomorrow."

I like to think they will get lazy and stop....but I'm not feeling that.
 

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But we had Minneapolis first. Then last night was St Paul and a little but of other cities. Tonight we have like 6-12 major US cities. Seems to be increasing, like "Hey let's go looting tomorrow."

I like to think they will get lazy and stop....but I'm not feeling that.

Imo, I just dont think it is big enough yet. We have seen this level of rioting in multiple cities already in past cases and the states were able to handle it. It needs to get much more heated and kinetic to where they feel it exceeds police and NG abilities. While it ultimately comes down to numbers most likely, a big part of it is matching ferocity with equal ferocity. An infantry battallion is going to bring ferocity like you can't imagine if you unleash them on a city and tell them they are going to be fighting and taking down looters and rioters. It's like sending out Vikings to go to war with Barbarians. They're going to bring a level of intensity that will scare a lot of the people they are there to control and they thrive off of being challenged and beat up. That's my take.
 

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You "hang the cop now" people are in for a rude awakening if you think the officer is going to see any significant jail time. If the autopsy reports in the news are correct, as well as the reports that the "knee to the neck" is a legit practice with this PD, his attorneys are going to have a field day. They are going to bring all kinds of reasonable (and legit) doubt as to the cause of death, and they will rightfully point lots of fingers at department policy and training when it comes to taught and practiced restraint of a combative subject.

He is being charged with murder and manslaughter just like I predicted. That's because they are trying to bring calm and show the public they are "pursuing justice." But, the murder won't stick. I'm no longer convinced that even the manslaughter will stick if the autopsy and PD policy reports are true. Either he will be found "not guilty" two years from now and we will have more rioting, or they will quietly plead this thing down a year from now when it has left the news.
 

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You "hang the cop now" people are in for a rude awakening if you think the officer is going to see any significant jail time. If the autopsy reports in the news are correct, as well as the reports that the "knee to the neck" is a legit practice with this PD, his attorneys are going to have a field day. They are going to bring all kinds of reasonable (and legit) doubt as to the cause of death, and they will rightfully point lots of fingers at department policy and training when it comes to taught and practiced restraint of a combative subject.

He is being charged with murder and manslaughter just like I predicted. That's because they are trying to bring calm and show the public they are "pursuing justice." But, the murder won't stick. I'm no longer convinced that even the manslaughter will stick if the autopsy and PD policy reports are true. Either he will be found "not guilty" two years from now and we will have more rioting, or they will quietly plead this thing down a year from now when it has left the news.

I think the charges are lower to set the burden of proof lower for the prosecutor.
Most times they overcharge for show, knowing it will be hard to prove; so I think the prosecutor is at least sincere in this case.

But it has to get through a Grand Jury first, a GJ that police are allowed to attend and stare down the Jurors. This is just one luxury civilians do not enjoy and should be done away with for LE. No union should be able to negotiate extra constitutional rights for employees. This is a problem with public sector unions.

I also mentioned the SOPs that may not be revised and still include choke holds and such. SOPs should be standardized by state; SOGs should be eliminated completely.
SOPs should be made viewable to the public without court orders.

And I am sure you know about , but forgot to mention police having qualified immunity as well.
This should be done away with as well; it is fairly new and was to protect the governments from being sued while opening the floodgate for criminal behavior.

What I hope..and probably you don't , is that each case like this makes it clear that the police enjoy too many protections from their committing actual crimes against the civilians they have swore to protect, yet are not legally obliged to do so; since their only duty, per SCOTUS, is to enforce laws. I.E. "serve and protect" is another vague claim. Even that slogan should be legally removed from their vehicles; it is a lie.

Protections for bad cops will be dismantled over time and only bad cops should be concerned about it. If they are good cops, they ought not mind.
 

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So let me get this straight. There is a pandemic going on right now, such that, the virus can be spread easily through asymptomatic carriers. A lot of these states shut down large gatherings and businesses in order to slow and stop the spread. Now these morons are rioting? Amazing LOL.
 

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So let me get this straight. There is a pandemic going on right now, such that, the virus can be spread easily through asymptomatic carriers. A lot of these states shut down large gatherings and businesses in order to slow and stop the spread. Now these morons are rioting? Amazing LOL.

Not all are rioting.
Give the folks liberty or give the folks death.
Something very wrong has happened that has moved civilians enough to hazard their all.
 

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MN media is so laughable and hatable...
Every single media broadcast fails to call the destruction a "RIOT".
JFC...
 

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Not all are rioting.
Give the folks liberty or give the folks death.
Something very wrong has happened that has moved civilians enough to hazard their all.
Oh, you mean rioting to rob businesses that are already facing tough times due to covid-19? That is just rubbing salt in the wound.
 

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