The Minneapolis Police Choke an Unarmed Handcuffed Black Man to Death

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I, as law enforcement, feel this was wrong and the male strangled was a victim in this case. At a minimum, you'll end up seeing the officer with knee to neck convicted of probably manslaughter.

I suspect all four will be eventually charged with felony murder.

They participated in police brutality that resulted in that man's death.
 

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The Unknowns should be the ones rioting. Them fools getting blasted in 2020.

These stats don't tell the story . . . from both sides of this.

From a law enforcement vs. the black community -- the numbers need to be expressed as a percentage of the population. For instance, 300 deaths means more if the group being shot is 1 million versus 100 million.

From a white vs. black argument -- I'd like to know how many of the black deaths were at the hands of a white officer vs. a minority officer. Even then, it will matter how much of the force is white vs. minority. Hypothetically, if whites make up 70% of the police force, but then are only responsible for 50% of the fatal shootings of blacks, then that tells you something.
 

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The thing with this is you gotta look at all the numbers, not just the raw numbers of shootings. Sure, this is an older article, but it explains the point quickly and clearly.

"According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers."

Then there are all the very well documented discrepancies with respect to sentencing, incarceration, day to day police interactions, use of force aside from guns, etc.
 

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EVERYONE NEEDS TO WATCH THIS NOW

I’m absolutely blown away at how people seemed to skip over such an important post.

peaceful protest - guy wearing tactical boots, gas mask, all black outfit, and a black umbrella comes out of nowhere and starts breaking windows to the AutoZone that went up in flames later that day and casually walks away.

Agent Provocateur anyone???
 

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Charged yes, convicted no. You'd have to be able to prove intent. You'll see easier charges through Feds on a civil rights violation.
There are a lot of different ways to prove intent, and many different standards of intent. Plus, circumstantial evidence is enough to draw an inference of intent. If you kneel on a restrained mans neck with all your weight for 7 min, even as he says he cant breath over and over before going limp, i mean, what other inference can you draw from that?
 

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The thing with this is you gotta look at all the numbers, not just the raw numbers of shootings. Sure, this is an older article, but it explains the point quickly and clearly.

"According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers."

Then there are all the very well documented discrepancies with respect to sentencing, incarceration, day to day police interactions, use of force aside from guns, etc.

That's exactly what I was driving at. But, you also have to break that down further. If blacks make up 13% but are 24% of the shooting deaths, you have to compare that against their percentage of all police encounters, i.e. if they encounter police more, it would be logical they would be a higher percentage of everything from public assists to citations to lethal shootings. Then, we really get into the philosophical elements of the "why" blacks have a higher encounter rate.

And then, before making it about race, you need to know what percentage of the police officers were non-black who fatally shot blacks. What if a majority of the officers who shot black men were, themselves, black men?
 

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That's exactly what I was driving at. But, you also have to break that down further. If blacks make up 13% but are 24% of the shooting deaths, you have to compare that against their percentage of all police encounters, i.e. if they encounter police more, it would be logical they would be a higher percentage of everything from public assists to citations to lethal shootings. Then, we really get into the philosophical elements of the "why" blacks have a higher encounter rate.

And then, before making it about race, you need to know what percentage of the police officers were non-black who fatally shot blacks. What if a majority of the officers who shot black men were, themselves, black men?

On a side note. Black police officers are some of the hardest m’fers I have ever met. They are pretty much reviled and hated in their own communities, so it makes sense, they have to be hard m’fers... That’s one tough row to plow..
 

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That's exactly what I was driving at. But, you also have to break that down further. If blacks make up 13% but are 24% of the shooting deaths, you have to compare that against their percentage of all police encounters, i.e. if they encounter police more, it would be logical they would be a higher percentage of everything from public assists to citations to lethal shootings. Then, we really get into the philosophical elements of the "why" blacks have a higher encounter rate.

And then, before making it about race, you need to know what percentage of the police officers were non-black who fatally shot blacks. What if a majority of the officers who shot black men were, themselves, black men?

We can take it even further and look at underlying rates of criminality. As far as I am aware, all the data shows that there is no statistically relevant difference between races in rates of criminality. But minorities are all statistically more likely to have police encounters, and all the rest flows from there.

As for the race of the officers, its relevant to a degree, but this is where institutionalization comes into play. Police policy and procedure has revolved around use of force for decades, rather than deescalation. For example, IIRC, STL area police academy devotes 120 hours to firearm training and only like 8 to deescalation. When shit hits the fan, people default to instinct, habit, and training, which for police is overwhelmingly force related. So the race of the officer is relevant, but not conclusive. If a black officer encounters a black man going through a mental health crisis, but has never been fully trained on how to non-violently handle a person in a mental crisis, whats going to happen? They fall back on what they have been trained to do.
 

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The thing with this is you gotta look at all the numbers, not just the raw numbers of shootings. Sure, this is an older article, but it explains the point quickly and clearly.

"According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers."

Then there are all the very well documented discrepancies with respect to sentencing, incarceration, day to day police interactions, use of force aside from guns, etc.
But there is also the fact that black america commits more violent crime per capita... So it's only natural that they would more likely interact with police per capita, go to jail per capita or be shot per capita.
 

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