Aftermarket Heat Exchanger?

Bearbo said:

You will like Jason. He knows his stuff.

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Jason has replied. He has a few questions which I have just answered, mainly, what is the use for my car and do I really need that Titanic H/E? He is trying to size his product for my use, and that is cool. My main reply is that I live in Central Florida and the normal spring, summer and fall temps are in the mid to high 90's, I want to be covered cooling system wise without issue. I kind of like the idea of no fan blockage behind the H/E, but I want to make sure the area of the H/E itself will more than make up for not have air flow generated with the fans and that the engine fan/shroud assy. will draw the air across that larger H/E surface and eliminate the need for H/E fans.

R

Robert M said:

Jason has replied. He has a few questions which I have just answered, mainly, what is the use for my car and do I really need that Titanic H/E? He is trying to size his product for my use, and that is cool. My main reply is that I live in Central Florida and the normal spring, summer and fall temps are in the mid to high 90's, I want to be covered cooling system wise without issue. I kind of like the idea of no fan blockage behind the H/E, but I want to make sure the area of the H/E itself will more than make up for not have air flow generated with the fans and that the engine fan/shroud assy. will draw the air across that larger H/E surface and eliminate the need for H/E fans.

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Check the video on his facebook page when he takes readings across the front of a heat exchanger with an anemometer. I was a bit surprised at just how ineffective they are at drawing air through the core and how little of the core the fans have any impact.

Catmonkey said:

Check the video on his facebook page when he takes readings across the front of a heat exchanger with an anemometer. I was a bit surprised at just how ineffective they are at drawing air through the core and how little of the core the fans have any impact.

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...........and that is the real question. If the fans do very little for real cooling and they block actual air flow through the H/E...........other than giving a good feeling when we are sitting in traffic, they may be more negative than positive? or at minimum adding more weight up front?

.............but then again, I do remember a Super Snake owner placing a business card in front of his lower grill when the fans came on, and the suction held that business card in place on the grill, so there is some air flow, but how effective is it? <<This is when Shelby first offered the 7" Shelby/C&R H/E for sale.

R

The theme I hear over and over from critics is that the fans do help in traffic, but perhaps only a few degrees and not worth the expense. Allegedly, they hurt above 35 MPH.

But, here is my problem with these "facts." What is clear to me with mine is how much they help IMMEDIATELY OFF IDLE.

Explanation: When sitting and idling, your IATs obviously rise primarily because there is very little air being sucked into the intake and over the intercooler. No HE is going to help much there, no matter how cold it keeps the fluid temp. And frankly, the HE is getting no air at idle, so the fluid temp isn't going to be all that great anyway.

But, with fans, they are keeping the HE fluid cooler at idle than it otherwise would be. So, the second you goose the throttle and start flooding air over the IC, the IAT2s are going to drop much quicker because the fluid circulating through the IC is colder.

At least that's my theory, and it is backed by my anecdotal experience going from a small, fanless HE to the VMP triple. Admittedly, the VMP had a ton of advantages besides just the fans, so my theory is a hypothesis not backed by an "apples to apples" comparison.

Unless you're into boost, you don't have that much air going through the intercooler. When the by-pass is open, air is circulating between the upper and lower intake, so your IAT2 is a combination of incoming and recirculated air. Your IAT2s rise while sitting stationary because your air intake is sucking in underhood heat. To truly test how effective your intercooler system is, you need to log IAT2 while you're making a pull. To test how effective your heat exchanger is, you need to monitor incoming and outgoing coolant before and aft of the heat exchanger. Judging intercooler performance by monitoring IAT2s at cruse and low throttle operation is not going to provide much useful information.

Got my Titanic yesterday.

Weather Man said:

Got my Titanic yesterday.

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I want to hear description(s) and see pictures of what it takes to put that Titanic in place.......

R

Weather Man said:

Got my Titanic yesterday.

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70SCJ said:

Please post up what other fittings and lines you used for your setup.
I am currently waiting on my Titanic. Hopefully not much longer.​

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I am already running 1.25" lines and my setup will only change a little to reroute a line in the engine bay.

Weather Man said:

It will be a little while, covid-19 is screwing up plans.​

I am already running 1.25" lines and my setup will only change a little to reroute a line in the engine bay.

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^^^Thank you for those pictures, and from the look of things, you have a complete upgrade/change to you IC/HE cooling system.

I want to know what mods to the car it takes to mount that Titanic in place behind the front bumper bar? Do you currently have a readily available bolt-in-place (factory mounts and location) aftermarket HE with or without fans? or has that area already been modified to a HE that is not a standard install CR, or VMP or Steeda, etc.?

R

Robert M said:

^^^Thank you for those pictures, and from the look of things, you have a complete upgrade/change to you IC/HE cooling system.

I want to know what mods to the car it takes to mount that Titanic in place behind the front bumper bar? Do you currently have a readily available bolt-in-place (factory mounts and location) aftermarket HE with or without fans? or has that area already been modified to a HE that is not a standard install CR, or VMP or Steeda, etc.?

R

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I have a C&R bolt in. Had fans, but removed them.

Weather Man said:

I have a C&R bolt in. Had fans, but removed them.

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Ok, cool. Please let me/us know what it takes to fit this Titanic into that space, bracket mods, cutting or drilling (if any), etc. I know that is a BIGGY HE, so it will be interesting to hear/see what it takes to get that thing in place.

Thanks, Robert

Well I made a deal on a brand new C&R Competition H/E that was on Ebay, so it should be an easier swap since I already am wired up for my current standard C&R unit. This should certainly help vs what I am already seeing for IAT2.

02GTKB said:

Well I made a deal on a brand new C&R Competition H/E that was on Ebay, so it should be an easier swap since I already am wired up for my current standard C&R unit. This should certainly help vs what I am already seeing for IAT2.

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I've got one of those (the Comp. unit), and the C&R radiator, new in boxes. Living in Hot Steamy Florida, I am always looking for better cooling. The Titanic has a very large surface area for heat removal, that is what caught my interest....and then also the "Fans vs. No Fans" discussions.

R

Robert M said:

I've got one of those (the Comp. unit), and the C&R radiator, new in boxes. Living in Hot Steamy Florida, I am always looking for better cooling. The Titanic has a very large surface area for heat removal, that is what caught my interest....and then also the "Fans vs. No Fans" discussions.

R

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Yes I did think about going that route, but since I already have the C&R setup on my car, putting the bigger unit on will be or should be a quick swap out. That is the only reason why. I got it for almost the same cost of the standard C&R so to me it was worth it. What you going to do with your new units?

02GTKB said:

Yes I did think about going that route, but since I already have the C&R setup on my car, putting the bigger unit on will be or should be a quick swap out. That is the only reason why. I got it for almost the same cost of the standard C&R so to me it was worth it. What you going to do with your new units?

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Right now they are sitting in boxes. It seems like there have been some new HE makers out there recently, so I am checking out what they have to offer, and then deciding on what direction to go. I know that most aftermarket HE's are direct bolt-in units, and I have heard the Titanic requires some mods, but to what extent I do not know, that is why I would like to hear first hand from someone who is doing an install......and then go from there....

The IC pump is another area where I have done some research.......At first I retro fitted a 2013/14 IC pump to the front drivers side of my 2008 timing cover, just like the oem 2013/14 install, below my P/S reservoir and the P/S steel line that runs through that area had to be modded for a correct/factory looking install, but then I found information on the direct plug-n-play Davies Craig pump that mounts with the oem 2007-2012 pump rubber bracket in the oem 2007-2012 location on the HE. <<That pump equals the 2013/14 pump in gpm. Then most recently I found a Davies Craig pump that also mounts in the oem 2007-2012 rubber mount and is 9.x gpm, which is better than the 2013/14 gpm and also does not require relocating the pump away from the 2007-2012 location......but that 9.x gpm pump does not have the plug-n-play connection, so it will need to be spliced in, but that is no big deal.....

The big deal about the 2013/14 pump mounted in the 2013/14 location on my 2008 is that the oem 2013/14 reservoir bypass hose can be directly installed just like Ford put it there and the benefit of that is keeping the main IC coolant flow out of the area where the air is, the reservoir. Air getting mixed into the IC system through hard acceleration, hard braking, Rights, Lefts, etc. degrades the cooling ability of the system, that is why the SVT engineers bypassed that IC reservoir, except for degas purposes for 2013/14.

So many options, so many choices to get these cars cooler!

R

I also was looking for info on upgrading my current I/C pump, if possible? At a point there were also boosters available just like for the fuel pumps. I think getting more gpms plus this bigger C&R unit my setup would be just fine for upstate NY weather.

02GTKB said:

I also was looking for info on upgrading my current I/C pump, if possible? At a point there were also boosters available just like for the fuel pumps. I think getting more gpms plus this bigger C&R unit my setup would be just fine for upstate NY weather.

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I live in Hot Steamy Florida, I am always looking for better cooling options...

R

Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but I’m right in the middle of my “Titanic HE” install and I ‘m pulling my hair out. Does anyone have any pics of an installed Titanic on an 07-09? Specifically, how the brackets were mounted?