Buying 4 acres to build a home on. Any Advice/Suggestions/Warnings/Do's & Don'ts?

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I don't know any builder that would let you pay the subs directly. I have signed agreements with my subs on how we do business with each other. I wouldn't consider letting a client get in the middle of that.

Exactly. Hey everyone. Let the pros to the pro stuff ok?


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I am not saying you should not pay for a change order, if you change something you need to pay for it. What I am saying is that a lot of builders don't seem to be unable to stay on budget for a variety of reasons. But paying each subcontractor yourself insures that they get paid. I know one contractor that put a prominent family owned lumber yard out of business,
My friend had a house built in florida last year and the builder comes up and asked for an extra $28,000 because he had over spent. Just because a builder knows how to construct a beautiful house doesn't automatically mean he is good at managing people and the financial side of his business.
I am sure that when you bid a job you allow for some screw ups and you have a formula that determines your profit.

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A joint check agreement with the GC solves that potential problem.
 

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We have a propane tank that feeds our stove top, fireplace, and best of all our 20kw Generac. Absolutely amazing when the community loses line power and a few seconds later our generator automatically kicks on. Also nice to know we'll always have fuel during hurricane season. Generator powers a private water well too in case the community source is interrupted.
Gas generator will be on my must have list when we move out to our property in Dickinson. You in the Commons?
 

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A joint check agreement with the GC solves that potential problem.
So you don't trust a GC to pay their subs, but you'd open a joint checking account with them.

If you hire a GC to contract your job without checking their references, then you are a dumb **** that deserves the ****ing you are about to get. Their job quality and references experience will speak for themselves.
 

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I greatly appreciate all the input you all have been giving. To get about halfway caught up:

When you clear your building pad knock down enough trees so your roof isn't always in the shade. A roof that stays shaded and never dries out will cut your roof life in half.
Clear enough land for future things you'll want to do, like a garden or shop.
Propane is the way to go. It also allows you to have a Generac or other whole house generator. Trust me if you're in the woods you'll want this.

Never thought of that regarding the roof always being in the shade. I think we're going to clear out enough trees that are close enough to the house so that hopefully won't be a problem. In regards to the clearing, my cousin is going to do the clearing since he has access to the equipment for free, so we're going to try to be careful to clear enough for the house and have a decent sized yard without thinning out the wooded buffer around us for privacy and separation from the neighbors/future neighbors. Figured he can always come back at a later time and clear more if we decide we need to make more room for something. Good call on the generator. Hadn't thought of that.

Propane tank wasn't bad. Make sure you get top off service regularly. The bill gets real expensive the longer you go without refilling. Your GF is right, cooking and water heating is vastly superior with gas than electric.

What would you consider "regularaly" in regards to topping off? Yearly? There's only going to be 3 of us and it would primarily be for the stove. I'm not sure how quickly you can burn through that. Was going to go with an electric tankless heater, but not 100% yet.

1. Spray foam - we did all exterior walls, above the ceiling and under the roof. Cost about $8k more than standard insulation, but man it's worth every penny. I rarely have to run the heat or AC, it's so efficient.
2. Metal roof - if it's in your budget, do a metal roof. It cut our home owners insurance in half versus having a non-metal roof. Pays for itself over time.
3. 8 ft garage doors - so glad we did the taller doors, especially now that I have the Tremor.
4. Tankless water heater - We did electric since it's rarely ever running and they are so efficient, not to mention it's one less propane line to have in the attic. It's much easier to run the lines for it while building versus trying to retro-fit it later on. Saves money since it only runs on demand.

1. You've got me intrigued about the spray foam, but I'm also a little scared by how much more expensive you're saying it is. How hot/cold does it get where you're at? I'm near Charlotte, NC so it gets pretty warm in earl-mid spring and gets pretty hot during the summer. Winters, compared to the Ohio winters I was used to, aren't too bad relatively speaking. But I'd be happy to save money on heating costs if the extra cost of the spray foam makes it sensible.
2. How much more expensive is a metal roof? We really like the looks of them. Any issues with it being "louder", like when it rains and stuff?
3. For sure!
4. This is what we were thinking of doing. Is one unit enough for a 3BR 2 BA house of maybe 1800 or so sq ft? Wasn't sure if there would be a need for multiple tanks? We were quoted around $3k to have one installed in our current home. Is it significantly cheaper than that to go tankless when building vs the traditional style?

We custom built on 30 wooded acres back in 06, the land already had a well and was perked.

Definitely talk to multiple builders, the wrong builder will turn this dream into a nightmare.

We just paved our 1/8 mile long driveway with a huge parking area after having gravel for the last 12 years. Way cheaper than concrete.

Our land was already perked as well by the previous owner, but I don't think we want the home site exactly where their perk shows it, so we'll probably get another one done. No existing well unfortunately. I can imagine the wrong builder would make it a terrible experience. We're already a little uneasy about the process and we haven't even started yet. Any idea how much cheaper your asphalt was than concrete would have been? 50% savings? More? We're thinking our house will be around 120' or so back from the road, so it won't be a huge driveway, but I know concrete can get expensive.
 

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So you don't trust a GC to pay their subs, but you'd open a joint checking account with them.

If you hire a GC to contract your job without checking their references, then you are a dumb **** that deserves the ****ing you are about to get. Their job quality and references experience will speak for themselves.
You don't open a joint checking account with them. You do a joint check; i.e. write the check to the GC in the amount the sub's requisition and have it sign it over to the sub/vendor. We do do this when our subs aren't paying their labor/vendors. Don't do this from the start. It's done if the GC isn't paying his bills. This mitigates any risk of liens..
 

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4. This is what we were thinking of doing. Is one unit enough for a 3BR 2 BA house of maybe 1800 or so sq ft? Wasn't sure if there would be a need for multiple tanks? We were quoted around $3k to have one installed in our current home. Is it significantly cheaper than that to go tankless when building vs the traditional style?

Depending on the layout I would do 2 smaller ones vs one large one if the bathrooms and kitchen are on opposite sides of the house.

I put a tankless electric heater in my lake house. It was under 600 for the kit, breakers and wire. I installed it in a couple hours with adding the 3 new breakers, I even used the left over wire and moved to a better spot a couple years later when we added a new master bath. Whoever quoted you 3k was the I didn't want to do it price. They cost a little more than a tanked unit but shouldn't be more than a 500 upgrade cost. A plumber will buy a tanked unit by the truckload and they cost him next to nothing.
 

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One thing my parents learned when they built their house, was to chose a company familiar with the area.

There was pretty much one company that did the wells where they were building, and another company about 40 miles away bid $15k less. The GC was trying to stay within budget and opted to save the $15k and it ended up costing an additional $47k between having another well drilled and cistern installed.
 

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Plan on the most efficient ductless heating pump/ ac heads...

Electric Hybrid water heaters!!!

Yeah I want to explorer these ductless systems. Would love to stick one on the garage too so that I can do stuff in there in the middle of summer and not melt. Lol. What's an electric hybrid water heater? Never heard of these.
 

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One thing my parents learned when they built their house, was to chose a company familiar with the area.

There was pretty much one company that did the wells where they were building, and another company about 40 miles away bid $15k less. The GC was trying to stay within budget and opted to save the $15k and it ended up costing an additional $47k between having another well drilled and cistern installed.

Good lord. I didn't even know wells got up to $15k, let alone SAVE that much from one bid to another. I was under the impression a well would be around $3-5k. That's shocking.
 

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Good lord. I didn't even know wells got up to $15k, let alone SAVE that much from one bid to another. I was under the impression a well would be around $3-5k. That's shocking.

It's a wealthy area, so that will be part of it. And the well depth was pretty deep if I remember right, somewhere in the 700' range or maybe a little deeper.
 

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Gas generator will be on my must have list when we move out to our property in Dickinson. You in the Commons?

Yep I am, just moved here back in September from League City. Best place I could find to have trees and a couple acres but still within an hour driving distance from the base I'm stationed at.
 

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Yep I am, just moved here back in September from League City. Best place I could find to have trees and a couple acres but still within an hour driving distance from the base I'm stationed at.
My wife and I looked at that place before we bought our property. It's really nice out there. We just weren't ready to build at the time.
 

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Yep I am, just moved here back in September from League City. Best place I could find to have trees and a couple acres but still within an hour driving distance from the base I'm stationed at.
My wife and I looked at that place before we bought our property. It's really nice out there. We just weren't ready to build at the time.
 

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Yeah I want to explorer these ductless systems. Would love to stick one on the garage too so that I can do stuff in there in the middle of summer and not melt. Lol. What's an electric hybrid water heater? Never heard of these.

Hybrid water heater is definitely for you being in Carolina. It uses heat inside house to heat the water in tank. Then as waste product it throws out a/c air into that specific room, so technically its a dehumidifier also...

Check you local electrical company website. I purchased my Rheem 50 gal tank at home depot. $1200.00 then I received an instant $600 rebate. It was cheaper than regular water heater, but the difference in price to run it is amazing!!!!

Research it.. No brainer and you can use ductless heaters to heat the house/garage and it's also the same principle as the hybrid water heater… Cheap cheap!!
 

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About 5 years ago, I built a garage/living addition onto my house. I estimated it would cost ~$150k.... ended up costing me ~$250k... ouch, so be prepared for cost over-runs in virtually everything.

I wish I had simply built a new house, as my 'dream' house would be fireproof and hurricane proof, so I wouldn't have to carry homeowner insurance, but alas, my house is made of wood, and $3k every year goes to insurance, what a drag.

Sorry to hear that. Can't imagine getting into a project and having it run over by $100k! What would make your home fireproof? Only thing I can picture is it being made out of cinder blocks or something and a metal roof?

A pet peeve of mine is windows that are too low to the ground. On my addition, I made damn sure that the bottom of every window was at least six feet off the lawn. This way, I never have to worry about waking up in the middle of the night to see some creep's face staring at me

Good point. Never thought of that. Not sure yet if our place will be sitting a few feet up off the ground due to crawl space/basement, but it's definitely something to keep in mind.

Good luck with your project. It can be fun, but at times, it will test your resolve, LOL.

Thank you. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is going to be a stressful experience, but I just hope the payoff is worth it at the end!
 

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Start socializing you plans with a builder now to understand the cost per square foot in your area, it can be shocking.

My well needed to be 570 feet deep, that will crush your “budget” .

If you can have city water and sewer and pass, your making a bad decision.

My plan was 240 per square for just the house due to the strict energy codes and dumb ass floor plan-too many corners
 

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What would make your home fireproof? Only thing I can picture is it being made out of cinder blocks or something and a metal roof?...


I was gonna do concrete/brick walls, metal studs and beams, and probably a poured concrete floor like they have in office buildings. Plus my goal was to utilize 'hurricane' doors and windows. They are not that much more money, but they are sure worth it when the bad weather hits, which it always does at some point!


Good point. Never thought of that. Not sure yet if our place will be sitting a few feet up off the ground due to crawl space/basement, but it's definitely something to keep in mind.
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I've got full basement, no problem keeping the windows up higher. On the windows, another thing I did in a full bath was I used a smaller sliding window, set so that it's about 5 feet off the floor. It still gets plenty of light and air, but if there's a female in the bathroom, she doesn't need to worry about any 'exposures'. It's a great little privacy feature IMHO.

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25 years ago I built a house on the Shenandoah river. We drove golf balls into it off the building lot. The well was being drilled as the house was being built. Three different Drilling companies tried and gave up. The one that got the closest to bedrock broke the 350 ft of 6 inch casing just shy of the bedrock. They pulled out after setting the pump that pushed 5gpm for 6 months to clear the water to just see through a sample. The house was done but couldn't be occupied, due to the water. It all worked out in the end, but could have lost the house if it was financed.

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