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I agree with Bob in that the current ST line does not cut it and is a pretty poor attempt, especially in comparison to what Dodge is putting out there. They should both have more power and why not put a set of Recaros in the Explorer and the Edge along with some real Brembos to actually give it some real performance appeal and not just a cheap knock-off of it. I've never been impressed with the new ST SUVs.
 

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And immediately void the warranty on it.





BRB gonna do some research on how to IFS swap my Cherokee. Lmao
Currie's Ifs JK is badass, also, look at how ultra4 is going, majority new builds are IFS, some even going ifs/irs. Its far superior, I have seen it with my own eyes and experience.
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I disagree Nick. The Explorer ST and Edge ST are not "ST" worthy performance vehicles IMO. Especially the Edge ST. The power in the Edge ST is no greater, if not less than, the Sport. I owned a Sport. I test drove the ST. NO difference other than the transmission. The Explorer ST, granted, is better all around, performance wise, than the old Explorer Sport, but not to the degree it should be garnishing the ST badge. I didn't buy an Edge ST because it drove and handled no different than my '16 Sport. The only improvement, performance wise, was the better transmission. I know you're going to disagree with me, and that's fine. Aftermarket tunes and bolt-ons to sweeten the Edge and Explorer STs? Of course owners can do that, at a very reasonable cost. But, why didn't Ford do it? Why didn't Ford go with better seats with more side support? And better brakes? Stuff a true Ford Performance ST model should come with from the factory. You surely know that an aftermarket tune will usually void the engine warranty. Now if Ford had done it from the factory (it's not like the engine can't handle an additional 50-75hp), the warranty would cover it. Sorry Nick, you're missing the point about what a true factory Ford Performance ST should be. Aftermarket parts and tunes can make pretty much any car a stronger performer on the street. But that's not a factory package. What Ford fans really wanted was ST performance from the factory.

The new STs drive much nicer than the older Sports, not even comparable in my book. I jumped in them back to back to back and always found the newer STs to be more impressive.

Ford didn't do it, because they have to pass emissions testing, reliability testing, etc etc etc. It's in the manufacturer's best interest to 'de-tune' vehicles when they come to production. It's not in their best interest to push vehicles out that are near their limits. Secondly, if manufacturers pushed out vehicles that were at their limits, it would cause quite the stir in the aftermarket world.

The seats should be a no brainer. Yes, more side bolster is great, and for a limited driver it makes sense...but for one that someone is going to daily drive, the side bolster would get worn incredibly fast and need replacing.

Ford offers track/street packages for both the Explorer and Edge ST to upgrade the brakes.
 

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I agree Bob, however msrp would prolly be $5-10k higher than current
You're right, but at least it would be a true premium performance vehicle. Ford would rather satisfy the bean counters and go with badging and lower cost features than to develop a vehicle that represents the badge it wears. They surely didn't compromise on the GT-350 or GT-500. I can't afford either, and that's fine. So I'd rather see an Edge with a $10K 'ST' package (same with the Explorer).
 

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Currie's Ifs JK is badass, also, look at how ultra4 is going, majority new builds are IFS, some even going ifs/irs. Its far superior, I have seen it with my own eyes and experience. View attachment 1627598 View attachment 1627599


Very nice and all, but FAR different than the IFS systems OEM produced vehicles come with. The ultra 4's suspension geometry is nowhere even remotely in the same universe as a factory offering.

Unless you willing to spend buku bucks with significant complexity, SRA will be better 95% of the time.
 

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Very nice and all, but FAR different than the IFS systems OEM produced vehicles come with.

Unless you willing to spend buku bucks with significant complexity, SRA will be better 95% of the time.
Except that the majority of these won't be taken off-road. Hell even the majority of Jeeps are not taken off-road. So why have the solid axle up-front?

@blk02edge was just giving example on how IFS is the future.
 

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Except that the majority of these won't be taken off-road. Hell even the majority of Jeeps are not taken off-road. So why have the solid axle up-front?

@blk02edge was just giving example on how IFS is the future.

Same reason the Raptor exists....so you can look cool cruising the mall parking lot.

You can pull off a 37" tire on a Jeep for what, ~$2-3K, and look sweet driving around suburbia. Can't do that with a IFS.
 

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Same reason the Raptor exists....so you can look cool cruising the mall parking lot.

You can pull off a 37" tire on a Jeep for what, ~$2-3K, and look sweet driving around suburbia. Can't do that with a IFS.
You can just throw a set of 37's on a Raptor and it is IFS.

Rough Country will come out with a BS cheap body lift that will let you stuff 37's under the Bronco. And those that cruise the mall will dutch rudder each other on how cool they all look.
 

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I thought it required a bit more "work" to pull it off the right way???
There is the right way and the mall crawler way. To ensure you don't have any rubbing at all when coming down from a jump, sure there are modifications needed. But to simply drive in a parking lot (where the majority of Jeeps, Raptors, etc. live), not at all, just don't go full lock on turns.
 

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Same reason the Raptor exists....so you can look cool cruising the mall parking lot.

You can pull off a 37" tire on a Jeep for what, ~$2-3K, and look sweet driving around suburbia. Can't do that with a IFS.
Silly argument, you can put a 37" tire on any truck and mall crawl with no issue. Even a rubicon can not go wheeling on 37's without an expensive pro rock 44 minimum. For the majority of weekend warriors an IFS kit from Camburg, Total Chaos...etc. Will wheel mighty fine on 35's. When you are getting more serious than that just buy a damn buggy or Maverick X3
 

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Silly argument, you can put a 37" tire on any truck and mall crawl with no issue. Even a rubicon can not go wheeling on 37's without an expensive pro rock 44 minimum. For the majority of weekend warriors an IFS kit from Camburg, Total Chaos...etc. Will wheel mighty fine on 35's. When you are getting more serious than that just buy a damn buggy or Maverick X3


Define “more serious”.

And the last time I checked, rubicons came with a Dana 44 up front, did that change?

How much does one of those said IFS kits cost?


And if you warrant tires bigger than 35s your solution is to buy a buggy? Lmao
 

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Silly argument, you can put a 37" tire on any truck and mall crawl with no issue. Even a rubicon can not go wheeling on 37's without an expensive pro rock 44 minimum. For the majority of weekend warriors an IFS kit from Camburg, Total Chaos...etc. Will wheel mighty fine on 35's. When you are getting more serious than that just buy a damn buggy or Maverick X3


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The only thing you need on a JL Rubicon to run 37's successfully off-road and crawl even the most daunting areas is a 2" spacer lift, to keep it on the cheap. 35's fit and work with the stock suspension. Mine lives off-road, more than it is on-road. The new D-44 is very stout. Other than needing to re-gear, 40's are no problem with it. #MiningEngineerLife
 

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Define “more serious”.

And the last time I checked, rubicons came with a Dana 44 up front, did that change?

How much does one of those said IFS kits cost?


And if you warrant tires bigger than 35s your solution is to buy a buggy? Lmao
The Rubicon factory "44'' is a D44 center section with 35 tubes and shafts, may have changed on the JL's but the JK's can not run bigger than a 35 without breaking if you are actually making use of max 4wd capability. If you arent, then why complain about ifs in the first place... And yes, when we are talking about wheeling at the level where you reeeeaally do need 37's and you are doing it on a brand new truck... Well, kinda stupid but hey freedom of choice.

Ultimately, my point is IFS is plenty capable for literally all levels of off road, yes, it is more expensive but such is the car hobby, theres nothing cheap about a properly built jeep either.

All it takes is one day trip in my ranger to truly apprecitate what a good IFS can offer, and mine is an aging old clunk bucket compared to whats out there now.
 

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Except that the majority of these won't be taken off-road. Hell even the majority of Jeeps are not taken off-road. So why have the solid axle up-front?

@blk02edge was just giving example on how IFS is the future.

So introduce a vehicle that is supposed to be a direct competitor with jeep and then build it with inferior suspension, that’s smart. Your reasoning for supporting it is because not everyone will wheel it? Yikes bro.
 

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The Rubicon factory "44'' is a D44 center section with 35 tubes and shafts, may have changed on the JL's but the JK's can not run bigger than a 35 without breaking if you are actually making use of max 4wd capability. If you arent, then why complain about ifs in the first place... And yes, when we are talking about wheeling at the level where you reeeeaally do need 37's and you are doing it on a brand new truck... Well, kinda stupid but hey freedom of choice.

Ultimately, my point is IFS is plenty capable for literally all levels of off road, yes, it is more expensive but such is the car hobby, theres nothing cheap about a properly built jeep either.

All it takes is one day trip in my ranger to truly apprecitate what a good IFS can offer, and mine is an aging old clunk bucket compared to whats out there now.

JL Axle assembly is much impreved.
Dude, again. If these cars came with the IFS suspension that you are talking about, then great. But they do not. Anyone can sink $10 grand into a suspension setup and make it better than they will ever need. That isn't the point. This will be no better than a 4runner competitor.
 

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The Rubicon factory "44'' is a D44 center section with 35 tubes and shafts, may have changed on the JL's but the JK's can not run bigger than a 35 without breaking if you are actually making use of max 4wd capability. If you arent, then why complain about ifs in the first place... And yes, when we are talking about wheeling at the level where you reeeeaally do need 37's and you are doing it on a brand new truck... Well, kinda stupid but hey freedom of choice.

Ultimately, my point is IFS is plenty capable for literally all levels of off road, yes, it is more expensive but such is the car hobby, theres nothing cheap about a properly built jeep either.

All it takes is one day trip in my ranger to truly apprecitate what a good IFS can offer, and mine is an aging old clunk bucket compared to whats out there now.


I’d be interested in seeing what you take this ranger of yours through.


Can an ifs be capable off-road? Sure, if that’s your thing. But why pass up a proven, simple, and affordable setup?

I have nothing personal against ifs but when I’m building a rig, cost is always on my mind and due to that, ifs will never be my go to.
 

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The Rubicon factory "44'' is a D44 center section with 35 tubes and shafts, may have changed on the JL's but the JK's can not run bigger than a 35 without breaking if you are actually making use of max 4wd capability. If you arent, then why complain about ifs in the first place... And yes, when we are talking about wheeling at the level where you reeeeaally do need 37's and you are doing it on a brand new truck... Well, kinda stupid but hey freedom of choice.

Ultimately, my point is IFS is plenty capable for literally all levels of off road, yes, it is more expensive but such is the car hobby, theres nothing cheap about a properly built jeep either.

All it takes is one day trip in my ranger to truly apprecitate what a good IFS can offer, and mine is an aging old clunk bucket compared to whats out there now.
The Rubicon factory "44'' is a D44 center section with 35 tubes and shafts, may have changed on the JL's but the JK's can not run bigger than a 35 without breaking if you are actually making use of max 4wd capability. If you arent, then why complain about ifs in the first place... And yes, when we are talking about wheeling at the level where you reeeeaally do need 37's and you are doing it on a brand new truck... Well, kinda stupid but hey freedom of choice.

Ultimately, my point is IFS is plenty capable for literally all levels of off road, yes, it is more expensive but such is the car hobby, theres nothing cheap about a properly built jeep either.

All it takes is one day trip in my ranger to truly apprecitate what a good IFS can offer, and mine is an aging old clunk bucket compared to whats out there now.


I never heard of a 44 using the same shafts as a 35. I do know that the 44 uses the same u joints as a Dana 30, which is the weakness of the 44 and why most people bypass that axle all together.
 

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