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How many miles do you drive a day?

I do 15 miles each way to work, so 30 miles a day. My LR AWD Model 3 has a range of 320 miles at 100%, and 250 at 80%, which is all most people need to charge to for daily use. I can go multiple days and then plug in to my 220V, 24A dryer plug and charge back up to full while I sleep.
Is it the best for trips or very long commutes? No, but it’s plenty for most people and the convenience of charging at home in my garage is fine.

2 tiny problems: 1, the base model only gets 220 miles per charge (which means you only get half that of actual range before you gotta turn back) and 2. they're expensive. 35K for a car that can only go 200 miles a day is a pretty massive problem. its convenient for people living in cities and towns that never really go anywhere but its also cost prohibitive because those same people can buy a 2K car that'll do the same thing for way less.

oh but then you don't get the status symbol.

aaaaand thats why people buy these primarily. not because they are better than other things... they buy them because with it comes a certain image.
 

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2 tiny problems: 1, the base model only gets 220 miles per charge (which means you only get half that of actual range before you gotta turn back) and 2. they're expensive. 35K for a car that can only go 200 miles a day is a pretty massive problem. its convenient for people living in cities and towns that never really go anywhere but its also cost prohibitive because those same people can buy a 2K car that'll do the same thing for way less.

oh but then you don't get the status symbol.

aaaaand thats why people buy these primarily. not because they are better than other things... they buy them because with it comes a certain image.
35k is not that crazy for a new car anymore.

The cheapest you can buy, the standard range plus gets 250 miles at 100%, even charging to 80% that gets you 200 miles, still plenty for most people for a daily commute.

You keep talking about status symbol, but what about these $70k trucks and SUVs that people buy that tow anything, and/or only have 1 kid to tote around, those aren’t status symbols? Not everyone wants a $2,000 basic commuter car.
 

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35k is not that crazy for a new car anymore.

for a car that has the fuel range of a 88 bronco with a hole in the gas tank it is.

The cheapest you can buy, the standard range plus gets 250 miles at 100%, even charging to 80% that gets you 200 miles, still plenty for most people for a daily commute.

thats more than what MOST cars start at these days. you can get a Cadillac, infinity, even a mercedez or bimmer for less than that... and they can actually drive to dallas and back before the sun goes down. you get more for your money. more everything. range. soul. sport. luxury. whatever you want, you get more of it for way less.

You keep talking about status symbol, but what about these $70k trucks and SUVs that people buy that tow anything, and/or only have 1 kid to tote around, those aren’t status symbols? Not everyone wants a $2,000 basic commuter car.

red herring strawman combo. not an argument.
 

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for a car that has the fuel range of a 88 bronco with a hole in the gas tank it is.



thats more than what MOST cars start at these days. you can get a Cadillac, infinity, even a mercedez or bimmer for less than that... and they can actually drive to dallas and back before the sun goes down. you get more for your money. more everything. range. soul. sport. luxury. whatever you want, you get more of it for way less.



red herring strawman combo. not an argument.

Dying at the bronco comment, lol.

Definitely a status symbol. 70K SUV doesn't compare when you look at a Model S and realise that the OTD price is just under 100K for 300-325 miles of range. At their highest price point, they are 120-130K.

The Model 3, once you add a single option, either for longer range or something similar, you're wellover 40K not including taxes and other fees.
 

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Agree that Tesla’s are just as much a status symbol as functional transportation. It’s a formula that has the best chance of success. The path that most of the other makes took was one of cheap/econobox type cars (Leaf, Bolt, etc). Those for the most part have failed miserably.

Tesla’s strategy to start upscale first, capture the early adopters with disposable income, then work their way down towards more mainstream adoptability I think will prove successful. The technology is improving very quickly, and their manufacturing costs will continue to improve as they build scale and expertise. They don’t get nearly the credit they should for building their own batteries. IF EV’s continue to grow, this will be a massive advantage.
 

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Yeah, Tesla cars,..............

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for a car that has the fuel range of a 88 bronco with a hole in the gas tank it is.

thats more than what MOST cars start at these days. you can get a Cadillac, infinity, even a mercedez or bimmer for less than that... and they can actually drive to dallas and back before the sun goes down. you get more for your money. more everything. range. soul. sport. luxury. whatever you want, you get more of it for way less.



red herring strawman combo. not an argument.
What? Lots of performance cars don’t get great mileage. It also only cost me about $6 to drive about 200 miles, how much does it cost you in gas to go that far?

A moderately equipped crossover costs more than $35k these days, compared to a lot in the performance bracket, not much can keep up with it for the price. The Performance Model 3 does 0-60 in about 3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in about 11.5 and costs about $54k.

I also used to own a Cadillac ATS that MSRP was more than my LR AWD and wasn’t as good as a vehicle as the my Model 3. Think what you want but they’re great cars for the price.

Dying at the bronco comment, lol.

Definitely a status symbol. 70K SUV doesn't compare when you look at a Model S and realise that the OTD price is just under 100K for 300-325 miles of range. At their highest price point, they are 120-130K.

The Model 3, once you add a single option, either for longer range or something similar, you're wellover 40K not including taxes and other fees.
Model S with Ludicrous is about $100k, add FSD it’s another $7k. They’ve dropped in price. My LR AWD Model 3 was about $50k, has everything except for FSD. Not much can touch the Performance at this price. I can also get an acceleration boost for $2k and get another 1/2 second off the 0-60 time and drop about the same off 1/4 mile. Guys are running about 11.8 @ 117 with this boost, and don’t have to hardly lift a finger. 2 clicks on the app and it downloads and you got it. Plus software updates for free and the car keeps getting better. How many other vehicles can you say that about?

Yeah, Tesla cars,..............

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Cool. Enjoy what you own, let others enjoy what they own. That’s why there’s choices, if we all drove the same thing it’d be a boring world.
 

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What? Lots of performance cars don’t get great mileage. It also only cost me about $6 to drive about 200 miles, how much does it cost you in gas to go that far?

A moderately equipped crossover costs more than $35k these days, compared to a lot in the performance bracket, not much can keep up with it for the price. The Performance Model 3 does 0-60 in about 3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in about 11.5 and costs about $54k.

I also used to own a Cadillac ATS that MSRP was more than my LR AWD and wasn’t as good as a vehicle as the my Model 3. Think what you want but they’re great cars for the price.


Model S with Ludicrous is about $100k, add FSD it’s another $7k. They’ve dropped in price. My LR AWD Model 3 was about $50k, has everything except for FSD. Not much can touch the Performance at this price. I can also get an acceleration boost for $2k and get another 1/2 second off the 0-60 time and drop about the same off 1/4 mile. Guys are running about 11.8 @ 117 with this boost, and don’t have to hardly lift a finger. 2 clicks on the app and it downloads and you got it. Plus software updates for free and the car keeps getting better. How many other vehicles can you say that about?


Cool. Enjoy what you own, let others enjoy what they own. That’s why there’s choices, if we all drove the same thing it’d be a boring world.

Well, quite a few.

11.8 @ 117 is not exactly impressive for nearly 60K.

You can get Redeye's for 65K OTD and that is not too far off from your Model 3 price. Longer range on the Redeye, will absolutely ****ing destroy it in a race/drag strip and probably around a road course, has pretty sweet apps that let you modify performance, suspension, etc.

Mercedes CLA 45 AMG - 0-60 in 3.8ish seconds, nicer interior, just as many features, longer range, decent better looks to a wider crowd. Tuned, they are running 11's.
Audi RS3 - 0-60 in 3.5ish seconds, nicer interior, just as many features, longer range, decent looks. Low 12's stock, Stage-1's are running mid 10's @ 127, which is model S luda territory.
Even some of the "SUV's" like a Macan turbo which are about 60-70K and have WAY more features and a badass interior are running 11's.

As I said, at a model s' highest price point, adding the uber over priced wheel option for $4,000+. FSD, you're over 110K. Now, factor in 10% sales tax and fees, you're over 120K.

For that price, you can start looking at other luxury cars that have way nicer interiors and just as many features, like an RS7 that with a single tune will be running well into the 10's @ nearly 130 MPH, which is just as quick as a Model S in luda mode. Not to mention, the RS7 will have more range too.

Discussing cars to compete with the Model S in the same price point, well that is a conversation for a different time.
 

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What? Lots of performance cars don’t get great mileage. It also only cost me about $6 to drive about 200 miles, how much does it cost you in gas to go that far?

seeing as how my F150 cost about half what your tesla did, its paid for, and you're gonna need a hotel when you get stuck away from home I'd say I'm coming out way ahead on this one.

do you think you're gonna get 25K in fuel savings ever out of that car? not a chance in hell.

if you wanna talk about performance you bought the wrong car. if you wanna talk about value you bought the wrong car. if you wanna talk about beauty you bought the wrong car.

your tesla is just an appliance that can take you places. i'm glad you like it but its not cost effective, environmentally conscious, or as cool as people think they are. they're trendy novelties. period
 

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It’s obvious I’m not going to change anyone’s minds about Tesla’s, so that’s cool. You’re not going to change my mind either.
seeing as how my F150 cost about half what your tesla did, its paid for, and you're gonna need a hotel when you get stuck away from home I'd say I'm coming out way ahead on this one.

do you think you're gonna get 25K in fuel savings ever out of that car? not a chance in hell.

if you wanna talk about performance you bought the wrong car. if you wanna talk about value you bought the wrong car. if you wanna talk about beauty you bought the wrong car.

your tesla is just an appliance that can take you places. i'm glad you like it but its not cost effective, environmentally conscious, or as cool as people think they are. they're trendy novelties. period
So you bought an old used F150 for $25k? Neat.

My Tesla is paid for too, so....

I don’t plan on doing road trips in it, that’s what my wife’s Equinox is for or my Dad’s Suburban is for. The Tesla is for commuting and around town driving.

You’re wrong about it not being a performance car. It IS a great value, sorry you can’t see that, and beauty is subjective.

I didn’t buy it for the environment. I bought it because I like what Tesla is doing, and it’s a cool techy quick vehicle that makes for a fun little commuter car. You probably haven’t driven one and you’re ignorant to how good they really are.

If you disagree, I don’t really care.
 

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Well, quite a few.

11.8 @ 117 is not exactly impressive for nearly 60K.

You can get Redeye's for 65K OTD and that is not too far off from your Model 3 price. Longer range on the Redeye, will absolutely ****ing destroy it in a race/drag strip and probably around a road course, has pretty sweet apps that let you modify performance, suspension, etc.

Mercedes CLA 45 AMG - 0-60 in 3.8ish seconds, nicer interior, just as many features, longer range, decent better looks to a wider crowd. Tuned, they are running 11's.
Audi RS3 - 0-60 in 3.5ish seconds, nicer interior, just as many features, longer range, decent looks. Low 12's stock, Stage-1's are running mid 10's @ 127, which is model S luda territory.
Even some of the "SUV's" like a Macan turbo which are about 60-70K and have WAY more features and a badass interior are running 11's.

As I said, at a model s' highest price point, adding the uber over priced wheel option for $4,000+. FSD, you're over 110K. Now, factor in 10% sales tax and fees, you're over 120K.

For that price, you can start looking at other luxury cars that have way nicer interiors and just as many features, like an RS7 that with a single tune will be running well into the 10's @ nearly 130 MPH, which is just as quick as a Model S in luda mode. Not to mention, the RS7 will have more range too.

Discussing cars to compete with the Model S in the same price point, well that is a conversation for a different time.


Couple of the magazines cracked 11s at close to 120 in 2018 when the gen 3 coyote first came out.

You can buy a stripper mustang GT for under $30k

Tesla... lol. No.


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@Makobra I dont like teslas either since Im in the bay area lane splitting passed hundreds of them every day.
But these cars are ahead of the curve: Tesla Model 3 Teardown Finds Tesla 6 Years Ahead Of VW & Toyota

And 0-60 performance you will not beat a tesla, specially with ANY sub 60k car. Value is arguable, none of the cars you mentioned even have auto pilot.
 

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It’s obvious I’m not going to change anyone’s minds about Tesla’s, so that’s cool. You’re not going to change my mind either.

So you bought an old used F150 for $25k? Neat.

WRONG. BRAND SPANKIN NEW, SON.

My Tesla is paid for too, so....

I don’t plan on doing road trips in it, that’s what my wife’s Equinox is for or my Dad’s Suburban is for. The Tesla is for commuting and around town driving.

You’re wrong about it not being a performance car. It IS a great value, sorry you can’t see that, and beauty is subjective.

I didn’t buy it for the environment. I bought it because I like what Tesla is doing, and it’s a cool techy quick vehicle that makes for a fun little commuter car. You probably haven’t driven one and you’re ignorant to how good they really are.

If you disagree, I don’t really care.

but maybe you do since you're arguing for its value. that's what everything comes down to: value. the car obviously has huge value because people pay for it so the question is WHY do people pay that? nobody who really knows cars gives a shit about 0-60 times. they're a novelty. a metric we made up just to gauge one thing: quickness. that is one aspect of performance.

its impressively quick until it runs out of steam and needs to take an 8 hour nap or cool off. its not impressive anywhere else.
 

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Agree that Tesla’s are just as much a status symbol as functional transportation. It’s a formula that has the best chance of success. The path that most of the other makes took was one of cheap/econobox type cars (Leaf, Bolt, etc). Those for the most part have failed miserably.

Tesla’s strategy to start upscale first, capture the early adopters with disposable income, then work their way down towards more mainstream adoptability I think will prove successful. The technology is improving very quickly, and their manufacturing costs will continue to improve as they build scale and expertise. They don’t get nearly the credit they should for building their own batteries. IF EV’s continue to grow, this will be a massive advantage.
I agree with your take on Tesla's success. IMO if Tesla can motor on and improve on production and produce top quality, reliable vehicles with make-sense features while keeping them affordable for the mainstream, and provide a solid network of servicing....they're going to lead the EV pack in a big way. If I had to choose, say, in 2 years between a Tesla EV or any other make, it would be Tesla 100%. I just don't see any other make convincing me otherwise. Especially Ford and GM.
 

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What? Lots of performance cars don’t get great mileage. It also only cost me about $6 to drive about 200 miles, how much does it cost you in gas to go that far?

Wrong. You happily paid China for the Lithium when you purchased the car. Think of it as pre paying for fuel. The biggest problem with these golf carts is when the tank goes empty they are worthless. I can’t wait for these people who paid 100k for this junk to come to the end of the road in 8 years and realize the car is now worth nothing.
 

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It’s obvious I’m not going to change anyone’s minds about Tesla’s, so that’s cool. You’re not going to change my mind either.

So you bought an old used F150 for $25k? Neat.

My Tesla is paid for too, so....

I don’t plan on doing road trips in it, that’s what my wife’s Equinox is for or my Dad’s Suburban is for. The Tesla is for commuting and around town driving.

You’re wrong about it not being a performance car. It IS a great value, sorry you can’t see that, and beauty is subjective.

I didn’t buy it for the environment. I bought it because I like what Tesla is doing, and it’s a cool techy quick vehicle that makes for a fun little commuter car. You probably haven’t driven one and you’re ignorant to how good they really are.

If you disagree, I don’t really care.

You say you don't care, but are here debating with us. Clearly you do.

Honestly, I'm not here to change your mind. I've driven a performance Model 3. My bolt-on 5.0 was and felt faster after the first 100ft or so. The initial jump out of a Tesla is great. Past that, they don't have a lot to keep them going.

Next time understand if you say you don't care, don't quote people and try to tell them otherwise or argue and debate how great of a value your car is.

I would love to own a Model S. Am I going to spend 100K on one that has limited range (I take a lot of road trips) just so I can be like "Dude, from 0-60, I'll own your ass."

The moment you start saying "Once I spend another 2K on an update where I push a button and get more power" all bets are off. See my example above. Many cars in the Model 3 price range that are quicker stock vs. stock, have way more features and a much nicer interior that the masses agree on and a lot more range.

I'll stick with my wife's volt that to us and many others, is actually a better value. Sure, it is not super quick, but, it goes further, has plenty of features and is paid off.
 

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I agree with your take on Tesla's success. IMO if Tesla can motor on and improve on production and produce top quality, reliable vehicles with make-sense features while keeping them affordable for the mainstream, and provide a solid network of servicing....they're going to lead the EV pack in a big way. If I had to choose, say, in 2 years between a Tesla EV or any other make, it would be Tesla 100%. I just don't see any other make convincing me otherwise. Especially Ford and GM.
Tesla was just added to Consumer Reports best Auto brands list, highest ranked US brand on the list.
Quality seems to be getting much better.
Tesla Climbs in Consumer Reports Auto Ranking Topped by Porsche
 

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^^^ Months if you get into an accident and need new parts. If not longer.

Tesla did a fantastic job with making their cars. Having replacement parts, more locations of charging abilities, not as much.
 

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