Randy Pobst Testing The Big 3 (HellCat,GT 500,1LE)
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Sticky tires + too soft suspension can actually make the car handle worse because it exaggerates the body roll, which I imagine as all that would happen to the hellcat. Don't get me wrong, going from like an all season to a summer tire is always an improvement, but you can't just say "the sticker the tire, the faster the car," because it just doesn't work like that.
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Yes you can and yes it does.
This isn't true. Randy even states this in the video. The best lap for these race tires is the first. Every lap after they are not as good as the previous.
Three races I would like to see by these Moto journalists with the Big 3 Cars....
Drag radials prepped track
Drag radials un prepped track
4 New Cup 2's on Road Corse with Randy Driving.
Oh ya if your sick stay home. Dont write a plot line for it.
These type of shows aren't for the gear heads. They are for the entertainment factor and not for the actually comparison of the cars. Clicks are your friends when it come to BS like this.
Was wondering when you would come and troll it up. Job done you earned your star for the day.
You always cry when things don’t go your way? Lol
I didnt say cup 2 dont fall off, I even said they would. It is 100% true that some R comps get faster and then the ass falls out when they cord. My point was don't expect a massive difference with fresh ones.
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Is it impressive? It has 276 MORE horsepower. People should be very worried what the Z06/ZR1 are going to do to a GT500 in a year. Don't get me wrong, the GT500 is AMAZING. I'm gonna get one. But it's a bit of a weird car to make a track car. It's just so damn heavy.
Its gonna be a hard loss when the grand sport comes out, never mind the z06. I do agree that the CFTP is an odd one. No back seats and carbon wheels on a big ass car just doesn't make too much sense to me. The regular 500 is the way to go IMO.
Kaneda is that you?
How much track time do you have to make that statement? I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm willing to hear another's view point on the subject, but that has not been the experience of me or the people I run with.
Horsepower is the #1 sufferer of diminishing returns when it comes to improving lap times. Look at it another way,
Corvette is now rear mid engined. All previous corvettes have been front mid engined (the engine sits behind the front struts), whereas the mustang has at least 2 cylinders in front of the front suspension. Advantage, Corvette.
Corvette has double wishbone front suspension. That means superior suspension geometry to begin with, as well as superior camber gain / travel under compression. Seriously, if you guys have never looked at a corvette suspension it is light years ahead of a mustang. Advantage, Corvette.
Corvette has substantially less weight, especially over the front. Advantage, Corvette.
So, considering the only advantage the GT500 has is going and stopping, it is impressive. Again, it took a track with long straights for the GT500 to tie the vette, anyone can look at the data and know the Corvette is a faster car, but the fact we're comparing an overweight mustang and mid engined corvette is impressive.
So you and the people you run with think the hellcat is faster around the road coarse with P zeroes than Cup 2’s? Is that your argument here?
I didn't say that, what I did say is you can't just assume it will be faster with the cup 2.
Throwing a sticky tire on suspension not stiff enough to handle it exaggerates the body roll and makes the vehicle more prone to breaking loose, sliding, exaggerates weight transfer and makes the car very sloppy and less predictable. You can't just apply a blanket statement like that, it would be no different than saying "throw the absolute biggest turbo on a car because it will go the fastest." There are always variables.
Edit: That being said, I did go back and add a "can" to my original statement to make that more clear.
Please, can you or the people that you run with show me one example of any car running slower lap times with Cup 2s over P zeroes?
I only bring up the tire, because of all the past complaints about the ZL1 1LE having superior tires on Road Course downplaying how good it is, or the complaints about the demon drag radial/skinny stuff.
4-5 seconds is a longtime on that course but anyone who thinks the redeye would not cut close to that much time going from a Pzero all season to the cup 2s is crazy. But if you were to admit that you would admit that the Redeye on equivalent tire would we very close to the GT500 on the course, much like you say the gt500 on a equivalent tire would be very close to the Demon. hmmm...
4-5 seconds is a longtime on that course but anyone who thinks the redeye would not cut close to that much time going from a Pzero all season to the cup 2s is crazy. But if you were to admit that you would admit that the Redeye on equivalent tire would we very close to the GT500 on the course, much like you say the gt500 on a equivalent tire would be very close to the Demon. hmmm...
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