Nice info from Randy about the big 3 muscle car.
Randy Pobst Testing The Big 3 (HellCat,GT 500,1LE)
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So let me get this correct. They intentionally subbed in a Non 1LE for the Drag race and then tracked the GT500 on cooked tires. How was this even fair? Seems a lot of tests they have to either hamper the GT500 or tweak the other cars(like the C8) to even compete. When they did the icons testing they realized that in current configurations the cars they were compared wasn't as well rounded as the GT500 so they has to cook the books to make them seem close(Again in the drag race knowing the tires are done and the delay in the launch).
I wonder how much track times would drop on the redeye with the Cup 2s vs the abysmal P zeros? Anyone now of a comparison of track times between a Pzero and Cup2s?
The roll race didn't make much sense either should have been way closer if not neck and neck with the GT500. Also Randy has a preference for the Camaros too so probably feels more comfortable pushing it harder than the gt500.
The roll race didn't make much sense either should have been way closer if not neck and neck with the GT500. Also Randy has a preference for the Camaros too so probably feels more comfortable pushing it harder than the gt500.
Lol I love all the backpedalling on the CFTP decimating the 1LE to bitching about its crappy ride... Well yea, GM built the thing like a damn race car. Still waiting for the CFTP to beat the ACR...
That said, the 500 still will be faster with all things equal (fresh tires). Why they didn't wait for new tires is pure stupidity.
That said, the 500 still will be faster with all things equal (fresh tires). Why they didn't wait for new tires is pure stupidity.
Yea, WTF is that I kept saying to myself.
I thought it was a good preliminary Pony Car test. Randy even said he thought the GT500 would be faster if it had fresh tires. He said the GT500 was 10 mph faster on turn entry from straights... I still think it will be closer than folks expect...
...but, in no disrespect to the West Coasters here, the same shootout needs to happen at a track like VIR where big power pays off. I am "guessing" that the new GT500 could hit 170mph-ish on back straight and 160mph-ish on front straight. Probably even climbing esses exit faster than entry, say something like 130-135mph-ish... Not sure Big Willow is a good place for big factory horsepower in 4,000+ pound boats.
Now, I'm wondering if Chebby upgrades the ZL1 1LE with a 2.something Eaton for say 50-70-80 more HP. The current ZL1 1LE uses the Z06 1.7L Eaton, so I would guess there's room for more?
...but, in no disrespect to the West Coasters here, the same shootout needs to happen at a track like VIR where big power pays off. I am "guessing" that the new GT500 could hit 170mph-ish on back straight and 160mph-ish on front straight. Probably even climbing esses exit faster than entry, say something like 130-135mph-ish... Not sure Big Willow is a good place for big factory horsepower in 4,000+ pound boats.
Now, I'm wondering if Chebby upgrades the ZL1 1LE with a 2.something Eaton for say 50-70-80 more HP. The current ZL1 1LE uses the Z06 1.7L Eaton, so I would guess there's room for more?
Randy may have high praise / fondness for Chebby but he hit the issue on the head: he would take the Camaro because of the *value* (sub $70k vs $95K, $25K difference for what *value*?). Same point I've been making.
You can’t beat the mullet’s bang for the buck.
ROFL!!! So true: Mullet!
Isn't he Canadian?
AlanKeane
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Not surprised by a few of the conclusions in this test, but one thing really surprised me....how badly the Red Eye walked away from the GT500 on the roll test. That's indicative of real world scenarios. Hard to argue against the ZL1 bang-for-the-buck. Dealerships around me have them for around 60-65k NEW. Hard to justify almost 40K more for a fully optioned GT500.
I don't think it was as the tires on the GT500 were cooked. Did you happen to see the other videos on the same scenario and the GT500 walked the other two? These tests aren't real world as
1)You need to own two Camaros one for the drag and the other for road course.
2)The price of the ZR1 is 64,695 the Base GT500 it only 8k more. The price of the ZR1 1LE is around 72k and yes it more of a gap of 20k between it and the CFTP. More bang for your buck but not 40k.
The GT500 is just a better well rounded vehicle and unless you are just buying a car for only one type of use. The 1LE is better money wise for track use or the RE for 1/4 but if you want both done at a high level you can't argue the money is well spent on the GT500.
Realistically cooked R comps mean they are on the cords where they no longer work at all, even with zero tread left they work really well (as long as its still all rubber) Some tires actually get faster at the end of life before they fall off on the cords (opposite of a slick)
So, while I do agree they were likely around 1.5 second slow its still wildly close. The splitter wickers will have done next to eff all.
AlanKeane
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You can get ZL1 1LE's for low 60s now. Just call any dealer with one on the lot. Truth it, you can't even TOUCH a Track Pack GT500 for 104K MSRP with painted stripes. I just don't get back the "regular" GT500. I'd always feel like I'm in the inferior car.
If their is 1.5 second between a new and cooked R comps. What would the time difference be between the P Zeros and R Comps for the red-eye?
Not sure if they have the all season or summer p zeros on there either...
Actually just read the new Motortrend on a flight home and they compared the GT500s against a Z51 C8 at VIR.
They directly compared the GT500 and C8 Z51 because that was a "closer comparison," and on the back straight it looks like the GT500 did 166.5 and the vette did 153.6. Not really a shocker there. Said and done, after putting the vette in "track mode" (basically just dialing in more negative camber front and rear) the times were as follows:
Figure 8:
C8 Z51: 23.3 @ .90g avg
GT500: 24.1 @ .85g avg
CFTP: 23.5 @ .89g avg
VIR 3.3:
C8 Z51: 2:00.96
GT500: 1:59.68
CFTP: 1:56.30
C7 Z51 (for context): 2:03.14
Honestly, the base GT500 and C8 are near as makes no difference, I'd personally just call that a tie. Considering the vette has better weight distribution, better suspension geometry, and a hell of a lot less weight, it is pretty impressive to see the GT500 run with it. I personally would have expected the Vette to best the GT500 (and at tighter tracks it probably will) but I don't know that anyone should really be shocked by these results.
You take the marked down price of the Camaro (which nobody wants) and then fully inflate the GT500 price just to fit your narrative? Nice ricer math bro
You realize stripes don't make the car any faster? Stripes are nice to have but makes no difference on the performance of the car.
These are the tires the car came with. Blame Dodge for that. Wonder how much more worse it would of been if the P zeros were cooked also? See my point? They didn't give a rats a$$ if the tests were fair or the producers/Drivers wanted to level the playing field and stacked the deck. Either way this test is BS.
Id love to see what all 3 do on warehouse stock NT01's.. I have no idea how good the RE pzeros are. Nobody runs Pirellis at the track as they seem to suck, including the Trofeos.
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