The power to weight ratio on the Porsche is better than the 500 so not sure the extra 250 is an argument for the 500 having an edge.
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The power to weight ratio on the Porsche is better than the 500 so not sure the extra 250 is an argument for the 500 having an edge.
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Probably need to wake up and see what's included in the gt3rs and why the gt3 itself has such a huge following. This would be equal to having a gt350 cup, but that doesnt exist, while theres an east and west gt3 cup.
4 wheel steering, optional fuel tank size. Carbon rotors, magnesium wheels, front suspension lift. This is an ACR competitor in that it's meant for the track. The gt500 cftp doesnt have anywhere near the tech the 3rs has. It isnt close. All the gt500 has is more power. Braking would go to the 3rs also since they can be optioned with carbon rotors. 1 GT500 rotor weighs around 42lbs. The cftp may have lighter carbon wheels, but the magnesium wheel option in the 3rs is close in weight, but is a little cheaper.
My bros former boss races in the gt3 cup they are bad ass cars for sure.
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I don’t think it is. 3150/520 vs 4050/760.
I’m not sure what Porsche has done since the 997 but the GT3RS is so much faster. Even the 991.2 is a hell of a lot faster than the 991.1.
My point is Porsche today is doing something electronically that makes there cars so much faster. Is it the 4 wheel steering or something else. Just based on this alone keeping up with them is an accomplishment in my eyes.
I guess I will be the outsider nanny nay sayer on this one.
I think any test or comparison against the Porsche is frivolous and a time waster. Hell, why not a McLaren then?
If the eventually (of the comparison) being that a Mustang (of any stripe) can capture sales from Porsche when buyers (or suspects) are shopping for a GT3RS, you've lost your marbles (respectfully).
GT3RS customers will never be Mustang buyers (maybe for their secretaries).
Mustang buyers are not GT3RS buyers.
Doesn't this comparison mean nothing to buyers (of GT500s) in the market place?
P.S. The ZL1 1LE can also hang and it's cheaper....
I think any test or comparison against the Porsche is frivolous and a time waster. Hell, why not a McLaren then?
If the eventually (of the comparison) being that a Mustang (of any stripe) can capture sales from Porsche when buyers (or suspects) are shopping for a GT3RS, you've lost your marbles (respectfully).
GT3RS customers will never be Mustang buyers (maybe for their secretaries).
Mustang buyers are not GT3RS buyers.
Doesn't this comparison mean nothing to buyers (of GT500s) in the market place?
P.S. The ZL1 1LE can also hang and it's cheaper....
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No the zl11le does not hang. It was beat by the 991.1 GT3RS and the new one is considerably faster!
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Are you sure?
It's not the pro circuit VIR config, but VIR Grand
2019 ZL1 1LE A10: 2:45.0
2016 (and a 2018) 911 GT3 RS: 2:47.0
I also know nothing about 911 GT3 RS (or Porsches), which 911 generation is that? Are there options which can have marked changes in circuit lap times?
Also, maybe the track layout matters? Like the video also proved out: big circuits or sections of the circuit where the HP can matter, well, matter. Something like VIR (pro circuit) or CoTA or Daytona?
A non-pro has turned in a 1:58 in a 2019 ZL1 1LE A10 on VIR Full end of last year at a regional NASA event.
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Who was driving those vehicles?
LS Pobst 1.33.29 991.1 GT3RS
LS Pobst 1.34.30 ZL1LE
As you can see below the new one is quite a bit stronger.
Its not really about cross shopping rather than just simply showing what the car is capable of and most importantly.... For fun... Yea why not throw Mclaren's entire line up in there, the more the merrier IMO. Using magazine times to make a purchase decision is honestly verging on retarded.
The 1LE will be closer to the CFTP than the base is to the 1LE. The 1LE certainly will hang. Most 500 nut swingers will call 1.5-2 seconds "destruction" though. Oh well.
I don't know who the driver was. Ah, my bad, I missed the 2019 911 GT3 RS VIR Grand lap time of 2:41. The source you cite is using the same source I am citing for VIR Grand. I don't know why your source calls it Grand East, in the 5-6 years I've been going, it's never been called "Grand East", it's just "Grand" and it's only run 1-2 times per year for clubs (the public). The 2014 is noted because during that off season, the pro circuit (Full only) got a new surface (and a few lines got tweaked).
AFAIK, Randy has yet to drive the ZL1 1LE A10 at VIR. We all know about his C8/GT500 laps from a few weeks ago.
Randy did his lap in the 2018 ZL1 1LE M6, correct? The A10 is only available in 2019+ MY. It makes a difference, the automatic is faster.
I've never had the luxury of driving on Laguna Seca, but I just checked the track map. At a -1.1 delta/gap, I would think cars would be within driving sight on the front straight? I would guess around the distance between start/finish and turn 1 kink? Have you been on Laguna Seca and is that accurate?
Btw (respectfully), I would consider a -1.1 gap to "be able to hang", but that's just me.
So a 2016/2017MY 911 GT3 RS is a 991.1 and a 2018+MY 911 GT3 RS is a 991.2?
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Yeah, I mean you are making the same point I am: it's for fun only (and nonsensical for purchasing choices), but there's some in the Mustang/Shelby crowd who are citing this "for fun comparison" as "I'll save $100+K and get the GT500". When in reality, they aren't/can't buy a Porsche 911 GT3 RS. They are citing the comparison thusly: "why buy the $200K Porsche when I can buy the $100K GT500?".
It would depend on where/what track that -1.5s to -2.0s gap would be? A drag track, yeah, I'd say it's large. A 4.1 mile road circuit not so much. A 2.0 mile circuit like Summit Point Main, welll, that's a decent gap.
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Yea true, with that logic you can buy faster better track toys for 1/4 the cost of a GT500. When I say 1-2 seconds I mean any real road course. 100% of the people who track these cars are not doing so in any kind of pro competition and driver skill varys a hell of a lot more than that in HPDE's
The 1.1 gap was with the 991.1 GT3RS. The new one would be 2-4 seconds faster.
all of this. These comparisons are funny, I love that the GT500 is such a major accomplishment and moves like it does but I doubt anyone is stepping to one from the Porsche crowd. He’ll I’d take a normal GT3 over a GT500 CFTP all day long. They are just different leagues of vehicles and like you said, the average track day run will never tap their true potential anyway.
now back to reality I couldn’t even swing a used GT3 where as a GT500 is actually attainable new (still a lot of money though)
Thanks guys. When the price of the car goes north of $150K, I'm out. That's too much for me. It's very hard for me to rationalize, let alone the purchase/payment.
But then my beloved-55-years-of-the-value position Mustang in the Pony Car market hits $100K, I start to have serious doubts. Like a crisis of conscience! I loved the Secretaries car! (no kidding)
I guess I'm just worried about "my beloved Mustang" in the new reality of $100K+ Mustangs.
I'm doing things I thought I'd never do: look at Corvettes. That's for old bald white dudes (oh yeah, I'm on my way there) who wear funny clothing and drink funny drinks.
But then my beloved-55-years-of-the-value position Mustang in the Pony Car market hits $100K, I start to have serious doubts. Like a crisis of conscience! I loved the Secretaries car! (no kidding)
I guess I'm just worried about "my beloved Mustang" in the new reality of $100K+ Mustangs.
I'm doing things I thought I'd never do: look at Corvettes. That's for old bald white dudes (oh yeah, I'm on my way there) who wear funny clothing and drink funny drinks.
I cant rationalize any track car over 30k... May have something to do with having lost a brake line at 95mph and going nail straight off the track and into a wall lol. NOT worth it.
Yep, I'd probably be in the same camp. Maybe enough to call my track hobby done and do something else, like car shows (eeeeick!)... Or move to *something* disposable like Miatas.
Ive spent countless laps in my spec miata, stock power and have beat every supercar known to man. Add boost, a 225 slick with an APR wing and you can be totally unstoppable. I just moved to an S2000 which will be getting the same gut/6 point cage treatment. Its far more fun than any new high dollar car as the fear factor isnt there and you can just push every inch of your soul into the laps.
many way you slice it, these days you could trip and fall into a good offering. The GT500 while expensive for a mustang is an amazing machine, the new vette and expected C8Z will be punching above its class too. Seriously fun times to be a car enthusiast.
I could definitely do track days in any of these cars BUT, I doubt I’d willingly push as hard as I’d want for fear of crashing like stated above.
at least when I wrecked my bike at the track it was usually fairly inexpensive to fix and even if you wrecked and it burned to the ground a used one could be had for like 5K. Cars get silly expensive for track use.
at least when I wrecked my bike at the track it was usually fairly inexpensive to fix and even if you wrecked and it burned to the ground a used one could be had for like 5K. Cars get silly expensive for track use.
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