Motor Trend Track Comparison between C8 and GT500 at VIR

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I think it could be possible with a real hot shoe of a driver, but just tires, brakes (like pads and fluid not insane stuff) and 100hp would do it. It’s far easier to power a car around a track vs momentum yer way around it. Momentum driving is exceptionally valuable to learn though. Aero wise, more downforce would further hurt speed. It was already ahead of the base gt500 in corners, it needs more acceleration and top end. Downforce might improve cornering speed by 5-10% but the further lost time/speed on he straights and long stretches would wash the gain imo
Yea, when Im bench racing with ya im only talking about Randy P or equal pros, everything less is just a throw away comparison. Dont be fooled by loss in straight speed as the gains in corner speed make that not a wash at all. I have driven formula cars with the same power, zero aero to full tits aero, the aero cars are always waaaay faster.
 

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well the Z51 already does keep up with the GT500 as-is. Running stiffer bars, tires and matching pads will put it very close to the impossible to get CFTP. Mod for mod its right there with the base 500 and you don't need to touch the engine. For the straight line guys the obvious answer is the shelby right now.
Running equal wheels tire specs of the cftp will put base 500 seconds closer as well.

Before either car was out we had people on this forum saying the c8 would destroy the 500 on track. Now we find out it does not.
But if it had better tires...
Wait for the Z...
Can’t match the ZLE...(which by the way runs tires that match the cftp)
Demon is still faster....


Enough!


I’m pissed!
First Motor Trend produces click bait last week and did not announce times.
They said the cftp was 5 seconds faster(times they posted today does not match this).
They did not run full course, those bastards!
 

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We are definitely comparing apples to oranges here and I really like the results. I see both vehicles as winners in their respective circles, but I am a bit bias towards the 500.
 

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I like the sound of the predator much better. I wish it had modular firing order is all. That would be hot sex
 

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Running equal wheels tire specs of the cftp will put base 500 seconds closer as well.

Before either car was out we had people on this forum saying the c8 would destroy the 500 on track. Now we find out it does not.
But if it had better tires...
Wait for the Z...
Can’t match the ZLE...(which by the way runs tires that match the cftp)
Demon is still faster....


Enough!


I’m pissed!
First Motor Trend produces click bait last week and did not announce times.
They said the cftp was 5 seconds faster(times they posted today does not match this).
They did not run full course, those bastards!
Thats why I said mod for mod its right there with the base 500, they both have room for improvement to be close to the CFTP when everyone is wearing the same shoes. On the full course 5 seconds could be accurate, which is what Randy could have meant.

Dont forget we also had people think the base car would wipe the floor with the Z1le and the CFTP was beating the ACR-E. Both sides ofbthe fanboyism are nonsense
 
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**** offffff... you have nothing good to say about Fords. Just be gone. We are all tired of you. GT500 rocks and all you can do is come up with negative BS. The car traps low 130’s. Its a beast! Few people seem to be able to handle how awesome this car is.

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The reality is it’s be a toss up either way in the hands of the average joe and they will likely run double digits off the cars respective capabilities for track times anyway.

bench racing is so fun lol. I think it’s pretty damn cool the GT500 performs like it does, same for the C8 so far and it’s just the lower trim levels we’re seeing now. These two cars are going to be punching above their classes and I look forward to seeing it.
 

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The reality is it’s be a toss up either way in the hands of the average joe and they will likely run double digits off the cars respective capabilities for track times anyway.

bench racing is so fun lol. I think it’s pretty damn cool the GT500 performs like it does, same for the C8 so far and it’s just the lower trim levels we’re seeing now. These two cars are going to be punching above their classes and I look forward to seeing it.
Yea, the reality is they are both punching faaaaar above their pay scale.
 

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Thats why I said mod for mod its right there with the base 500, they both have room for improvement to be close to the CFTP when everyone is wearing the same shoes. On the full course 5 seconds could be accurate, which is what Randy could have meant.

Dont forget we also had people think the base car would wipe the floor with the Z1le and the CFTP was beating the ACR-E. Both sides ofbthe fanboyism are nonsense
The base car is a second faster on a 2 minute track mod for mod.
We don’t have an accurate measure vs the zle.
The cftp did beat the acre at Grattan.
 

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The base car is a second faster on a 2 minute track mod for mod.
We don’t have an accurate measure vs the zle.
The cftp did beat the acre at Grattan.
You got a link to that instrument test where the GT500 was compared with the ACR on the same say with same effort?
 

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Dodge test their all the time as do all the manufacturers. They took their team and their top driver to test and set their best lap.

You are correct it was not same day test.
No chance it was the same effort, dodge was in and out on most of their track records, hence why Randy P has set faster laps everywhere he ran the ACR than the dodge crew did. And by large margins. Just do the ricer math. Hell just look at the two cars and its obvious.
 

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No chance it was the same effort, dodge was in and out on most of their track records, hence why Randy P has set faster laps everywhere he ran the ACR than the dodge crew did. And by large margins. Just do the ricer math. Hell just look at the two cars and its obvious.
Don’t believe it does not bother me.

I do believe 1 or 2 seconds could be had or taken just on different days. I also believe that there is time to pick up just in the 3 to 4 years in increased tire tech.
And that on most tracks the acre dominates the cftp 500.
 

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Don’t believe it does not bother me.

I do believe 1 or 2 seconds could be had or taken just on different days. I also believe that there is time to pick up just in the 3 to 4 years in increased tire tech.
And that on most tracks the acre dominates the cftp 500.
Its not about believing, its about very simple common sense. I will tell you what you want to hear though. Yes, the CFTP does, unofficially, have that record. But it is pretty much a guaranteed fact that if the two went back on the same day and the SRT viper team was there with a full weekend of effort and telemetry you would see a massive difference. Grattan is a shit example regardless, especially when there's years in between runs. You'll see why when the CFTP runs Laguna and Road Atlanta other proper tracks that dont cause cars to go airborne.
 

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"Before either car was out we had people on this forum saying the c8 would destroy the 500 on track. Now we find out it does not."

Who are the people saying that???? It makes no sense that the first model C8 (which is a regular stingray model even with the Z51 package) is going to compete head to head with this car.

The upcoming base model C8 IS NOT on par in performance with the Shelby, when Chevy brings out the C8 Z06/ZR1 model (if there is one) then we'll see whether the Shelby can hang with it.
 

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cant wait to see what the C8 z06 can do with the HP upgrade, tires and aero. Gonna be a beast.
 

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Its not about believing, its about very simple common sense. I will tell you what you want to hear though. Yes, the CFTP does, unofficially, have that record. But it is pretty much a guaranteed fact that if the two went back on the same day and the SRT viper team was there with a full weekend of effort and telemetry you would see a massive difference. Grattan is a shit example regardless, especially when there's years in between runs. You'll see why when the CFTP runs Laguna and Road Atlanta other proper tracks that dont cause cars to go airborne.
Actually it does not as Ford never did release times. All we have is clocked by hand from afar.
All I’ve stated is that the cftp has shown it has the ability to beat the time the acre has set.

Which run will we go by? The 1:28 or 1:30 time?
Motor Trend did not mention the 1:28 Randy got in their article a year later.
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"Before either car was out we had people on this forum saying the c8 would destroy the 500 on track. Now we find out it does not."

Who are the people saying that???? It makes no sense that the first model C8 (which is a regular stingray model even with the Z51 package) is going to compete head to head with this car.

The upcoming base model C8 IS NOT on par in performance with the Shelby, when Chevy brings out the C8 Z06/ZR1 model (if there is one) then we'll see whether the Shelby can hang with it.
A number of people pissed at Ford said the base c8 would out perform the 20 500.

It won’t GM will make sure of that. The 500 has never been able to hang or even get close to the old outgoing z on track until this year. 02 z was faster than the 07 500. The 06 z was faster than the 13 500...
 

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