It’s not safe to drive a lightweight skinny front slick rear wheelie bar parachute car on the freeway or basic street. The whole point of going fast quickly....
Stock Redeye with Just DR’s ran 10.22@134 last night. (Not a press event with Evan Smith).
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It’s not safe to drive a lightweight skinny front slick rear wheelie bar parachute car on the freeway or basic street. The whole point of going fast quickly....
How high is the TT&L there? Here in Texas that'd be roughly 3,700 bucks for 53K car...
CA it’s over 10% for tax title and license fees.
in Texas a $53k purchase puts otd cost at $57k otd. He paid $58k otd.
lol....ouch!! Do you at least get a reach around while they push your shit in???
The best part is they make you pay that on private party used car sales too.
So you know nothing about his business operation but point the finger at him and proclaim he's responsible for charging "horrendous markups" on "ridiculously priced" GT500's? I'm not in disagreement about how Ford chooses to price some of their vehicles but Nick is as standup as it gets when it comes to being reasonable in terms of pricing that bucks the ADM trend. I'm saying this to you with firsthand knowledge and experience in dealing with his dealership. I've yet to run into any dealer that is as in-tune with the enthusiast movement that goes out of his way to make cars like this a reality for people like us without the typical ass gaping other dealers are so fond of giving.
I'm in agreement with what you said regarding Owens/Ford. They simply don't get the fact that they are turning much of their core base away. The Track Attack, Track Tour, etc, are well done and I'm thankful to see them at least do that. But their product planning and marketing get very low grades and this is where Dodge has taken the baton and run right out of the stadium with it. I suppose it doesn't matter as they are a truck company now that sells a car here and there with a flash of what once was.
Said dealers, although this isn't limited to Ford obviously on cars with "high power levels", are absolutely charging ADM's. Not all of them, thankfully, but enough to frustrate even the most dedicated enthusiast in search of MSRP.
I don't like how Ford sets this up and can't blame dealers based on the demand they see versus the (1) GT350 and (1) GT500 they get (with the potential to get more) if they pay to enter the program with Ford. The fact that Nick isn't nailing those looking to buy a GT500 or a GT350 with ridiculous fees speaks volumes. He could easily have lined his pockets with more cash if he was so inclined as there are plenty out there willing to fork over whatever it takes to get what they want.
I don't like how Ford sets this up and can't blame dealers based on the demand they see versus the (1) GT350 and (1) GT500 they get (with the potential to get more) if they pay to enter the program with Ford. The fact that Nick isn't nailing those looking to buy a GT500 or a GT350 with ridiculous fees speaks volumes. He could easily have lined his pockets with more cash if he was so inclined as there are plenty out there willing to fork over whatever it takes to get what they want.
No,............auto ZR1 was completely stock the first time they ran the 2 cars.
Redeye had about 875 at the crank and the ZR1, obviously, has 755 at the crank. You're thinking of the second time that they did a video meet-up.
God, I love me some 2019 ZR1 cars!
4.9 vs 5.03.
It’s a brand new halo package on a 5 year old chassis. You’re comparing a 1 week old car to a 2 year old package on a 12 year old chassis. The demons, red eyes, zr1’s, zl1’s, and on all had markups through the roof their first weeks.
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Ford made the decision purposefully, to limit production, this time around. I actually talked to Jim Owens about it, in person at length. I dont want to directly quote him too much, but one thing he said that will forrever stick out in my memory, was (He knew I had an 08 GT500 I bought new, and we were trading notes since he bought a KR in 08...)
"Yes, but we made too many of them before.. they became too common place" "we're going to limit production this time around and take them up market." And I looked at him, with a hundred thoughts going through my head about "That is against everything SVT stands for, and what about getting the performance into the working man's hands.. What about the "Bang for buck" quotient? Etc et etc... And I just thought to myself.. Shut up, and go buy a Red eye. LOL
He also talked about how they (Ford Corp) knew the dealers were gouging for the GT500's and he went on for quite a bit about how MSRP was just that, a suggested price, and they not only condoned, but encouraged the dealers to get whatever they could for them...
Its was at that moment, in person at Carlisle no less, at the actual GT500 intro, while I was looking at him, I knew how far Ford had Fallen and that I was going to buy a hellcat. LOL. And keep my 08GT500 as a parting prize.
Ford offers a $37,500 11.7@120 capable mustang gt. If a scatpack running 12.1 for 40k impresses you...
Ford offers a flat plane v8 with 100hp/L for $60k... if enthusiasm and incredible stuff for cheap impresses you...
Ford offers a $92k mustang that can lap with Ferrari 812’s and Porsche GT2’s while running 1/4 mike with and past redeyes, and z06’s. It’s nipping on demons with a coveted tire. You said yourself people put on drag radials to go to the strip.
If drag radials and welds is all a red eye needs to be stock and run 10.2 in excellent rare air, then I’m sure you’ll appreciate when a gt500 on wheels and drag radials runs 9’s equally stock at high mph, with more consistency.
The drag wheels are worth 2 tenths at least and you know that. Run a drag radial on the factory wheel with full wheels upfront and you’ll be hard pressed to break 10.5’s.
Run a demon on pump gas and full size fronts against a gt500 on an equal drag radial and you’ll have a dick measuring contest that goes to the ford in my opinion.
I saw demons going for $150-200k when they were a week old.
$150k-$200k is a big sack of money to basically run what a $120-150k car will do considering one is a straight line car that had a $60-110k markup and the other has a carbon fiber wheel package worth $18k by itself, painted stripes, can easily rock a road course right after blasting off basically pump gas demon times, and has a $20-50k markup.
A $37k 10a mustang gt is almost as fast as a $60k ‘15 hellcat. Keep in mind dodge let the hellcats also have $25k+ markups.
You shit on ford and dealerships for letting capitalism and free market play it’s way, but are quick to show that you let capitalism and free market play your way.
Congrats on allegedly getting a great car for $58k otd, that’s market based economy. You waited 2 years for hype to die and bought a great car below dealer cost that wasn’t going to move at msrp. Our capitalism let’s that happen.
Ford has a great car that people making 6 and 7 and 8 figures really want so they let the market eat at launch just like everyone else. Do you think dealerships like having to do warranty work on these types of cars and deal with these types of customers for the long haul? It’s a pain in the ass to deal with the “I bought the best car on the lot, modified it, raced the shit out of it, didn’t change oil or plugs, didn’t check fluids, didn’t even wash it and now it broke so replace the motor or I’m going to the Internet to slander you!” Customer. Let ford dealers make $$$$ up front so they can handle those asshats.
It’s capitalism. If you preach patience about buying your car, and chose not to pay adm’s in 2017/18 for a redeye, good. People wanting gt500’s will do similar, albeit get less of a killer deal because the car holds its value better thanks to higher deman. (thank you Jim Owens. That HELPS the buyer and shows them that ford CARES)
Why do pre gt500 svt products hold their value? Supply and demand. It’s a market based condition that works. Why does the trinity hold its value? Supply and demand. Why does the 07-10 gt500 basically compete with clean terminator pricing? Supply and demand. If there are 19,000 03/04 cobra’s out there, and 75,000 07-10 gt500’s, what’s easier to come by? Regardless of the specialness or greatness of the car, rarity will limit supply and mystic will drive demand. There are differences in the 07-10 gt500’s and I’m not arguing they aren’t better cars, but how often does an 07-10 gt500 sell for 80% of its msrp 15 years later? Time will tell but we see it monthly if not weekly with clean terminators. That’s supply and demand. Should we poopoo grand national gnx’s and Chevelle SS 454’s too? Stupid makers making special cars. Screw copo Camaro’s too! It was all a money grab! (No shit Sherlock, why does anybody do anything?!) the caviate is that following the market driven side let’s ford continue breaking the mold every so many years while everyone else trips over themselves to catch up. The terminator started the blown muscle car trend. The gt500 pressed it into comfier all arounder. The gt500kr brought some track credentials to the table. The trinity said let’s hunt top vettes. The gt350r said let’s play with porsche and blow past bmw. The new gt500 says let’s play with gt2rs, and demons. Maybe we come short but we’ll definitely be in the conversation and ahead of the redeye, as well as ahead of the gt2 with a single car.
No offense but hellcats are cheap on the used market because of supply, and the red eye is not far removed from that reality.
If enthusiast performance for the dollar is your bag, a used $30k 10a 5.0 mustang will run 11.7@120 in minshaft air (and better), throw a blower on it used from a forum sale, and tune it on a gameboy. Take some slicks and skinnies from a failed and forgotten project car and run 9’s at at 140+ for under $40k in a car where you can buy a replacement engine with trans used with 30k miles from a wrecked f150 for $2800 with shipping. Let it eat, swap rinse and repeat. You’d make more money from YouTube kill vids and well done channel than each swap would cost every 3-5 years.
The fanboy posing as car guy stuff is lame. People here like mustangs. You like your dodge. Don’t bullshit and play the middle, just say you like your dodge and it’s run well. You aren’t gonna convince people to buy a dodge any quicker than they’ll convince you to buy a mustang. Enjoy your red eye, it’s a great car and killer buy. Congrats.
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On a road course/track?
I don't think so.
GT2RS is the perfect track weapon....500 will impress for sure, but it’s absolutely no threat to the GT2RS..
Yeah, that’s about all I took from the small portion I scrolled through. This forum never disappoints.
There are a few dudes on here with their head planted firmly in their ass.
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