The Complicated Calculus - Selling Your Car For The GT500

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After my 4 hours of fun at the GT500 Track tour I was planning to put pen to paper, or finger to keyboard, about the technical aspects of the GT500. After reading a few of the magazine reviews about the car I realized there are others with far more automotive experience that can accomplish that task better. The essential question we are all asking ourselves is will you sell you current Ford to obtain one? Having owned a GT350, GT350R, and Whippled Terminator I want to present to you my thoughts on the matter. These are my angles, and many things are left to consider. Please share your thoughts when you finish reading this, as it may help others.

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The GT500 is many things. One thing I can confidently say that it wont be, is a disappointment. There is a concert of systems working in harmony to make that car exquisite to drive. Anyone that currently owns a GT350 will have that same special feeling and shit eating grin when you get inside of it. On track the CFTP manages weight, body roll, turn in, grip, throttle application, shifts and everything else without you thinking about it. On the drag strip it makes launching a simple process without you thinking about it. Set a lap record without breaking a sweat then go enjoy a nice charcuterie board in between sessions.... Remember that thought until later...

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When you think about combat effectiveness, or picking the right tool for the job, the A7 from Tremec makes complete and total sense. With contenders like the Hellcat and ZL1 LE there would be too much margin for error with a manual if your ultimate goal is to demolish everything else currently on the street. Not only to demolish, but to give customers of all skill levels the ability to harness the power on tap no matter what performance situation they enter into. I spoke with a Tremec engineer at the event and quickly mentioned the epitome of manually shifting automatic transmissions, the Porsche PDK. It was made clear that much effort was put into benchmarking against that transmission, and making this one even better. They did it, although experience with the transmission on the street in traffic is an unknown. If anyone here has been in a high horsepower manual car you know with great power, comes great responsibility. Power management out of an apex or off the line is a constant battle, and often costs you time. I did not think the automatic transmission would be rewarding, but it definitely was. The Whippled Terminator I had was an absolute beast, but really took a skilled driver to extract the most from. The car was either roasting the tires or roasting the tires anytime I put that foot to the floor. I do not foresee that being the case here, and that is a benefit for everyone driving it. The A7 is not only a win for the car, but a win for all of us that want to see the GT500 on the top of the food chain.

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HOWEVER, there are many factors about performance car ownership that many never discuss. The ability to fit your kids and wife inside for a trip to cars and coffee. The point of diminishing returns with modifications. Dreading a trip because being caught in traffic will give your left knee atrophy. Tossing the keys to your wife so she can take the car to work and not be in fear of stalling out on the driveway into the office. New enthusiasts that would be too timid to push the car because a stick shift is intimidating. Enthusiasts with a little more mileage on their bodies and cant manage a stick shift anymore. This level of accessibility and versatility makes the GT500 a big win, but will also bring many more buyers into the pool.
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As I took the 600 mile drive back home from Vegas I didn’t feel as though I was missing anything in my GT350R. Several other vehicles pulled out cameras and the driver of a Dodge truck chased me down to get a closer look. Downshifts with a quick rev match to pass big rigs was satisfying at my core. The looks, rarity, and balance of the GT350R made me happy with the woman I married. Knowing that when GT500 production gets fully underway there will be plenty of them in production and at dealerships. Aside from the CFTP, exclusivity and ADM wont be the name of the game for long.

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My brief time in the GT500 was amazing. What stuck in my mind the most was my feeling of detachment while on track. That previous thought about exquisite management of all the systems, it also was what made me feel a little disconnected from the whole experience. Kind of like when your wife tells you to lay back and let her do all the work. Undoubtedly fun, but I still want to put in a little work.....sometimes. It’s my only criticism, but its not the GT500’s fault. My brain and testosterone filled need to feel like I am the one controlling the car is what holds me back. That will be the basic question you need to ask yourself before you make the move. Are you ready to fundamentally change your mind about what performance driving is like without a manual. Those that are ready will not be disappointed. Those that are not ready, still wont be disappointed, but you may want to keep 6 gears nearby for that occasional fix.
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This closing statement is not made to knock any other variant of Mustang on the road, or to seem elitist about the GT350R. It just happens to be the top dog Mustang at the moment. Anyone who has switched from the GT350 to the R knows the cars are different, and even modifications to a GT350 wont necessarily get you there without some financial investment. The limited production, factory aero, and magazine reviews make the R a car of obsession and desire. It’s performance is renowned and envied by other car enthusiasts across the board. If you have a GT350R because you enjoy analog driving input from a manual I do not think selling your current car for the GT500 is the best move. The 500 is amazing, but not such a different feeling than what you have. The control and linear power application built into the GT500 because of the A7 still makes it feel similar to what the GT350R does with the manual. Words do not quite describe the satisfaction of when you heel-toe downshift into the apex, but also wont be enough to wash away the feeling of getting passed by a GT500 right after you hit the straightaway. Getting a slightly used base GT500 to mod how you want would be my advice for R owners. Buying both would be ideal if you got it like that, or if you are mentally ready to let the third pedal go.

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If you have a GT350 or other built Mustang though......This GT500 is hella hella fast like VTEC duuu, and you probably wont beat it. Try to build your own and it will likely cost you more with little to be gained in resale. The GT500 is hungry, and equipped with a proper driver and sticky tire it will eat most cars at any event. I can almost guarantee if you best the GT500 in any arena with equal tire compound you probably beat the driver, and not the car. If you did beat the car, chances are you had to give up so much utility in every other arena that the GT500 still wins at being more versatile. Built or bought. Driver skill or the car. Perhaps none of it matters if you are winning. If you own any other variant of performance Mustang short of the R and have the financial ability to afford a GT500, I would be selling my baseball card collection, cancelling the built motor, selling all my spare parts, and calling MSRP dealerships until my fingers bled. First startup and WOT pull will leave you with no regrets.
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Nice write-up. I'll admit, I'm one of those "leave the autos for the dailys" type. I bought my performance cars to ENJOY(being the key word and should be for anyone) and with that being said I like the A7 mainly for the road course aspect but that would be the only reason I would use it, IMO nothing beats cruising around the streets and making pulls, banging through the gears and feeling the car through your whole body.
 

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I was disappointed that the new car is not TT. I am sure it is a great car, but loaded $100K? wow.

I was going to sell the 2014 after the GT40 is finished and driven next year, but I am going to hold on to it now.

I guess I'll wait and see these in person/ride.

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There's no doubt that the price point of this car will force many fence sitters to stay on their side of the chain link. At best, you're talking about throwing down $75,000 for this car. What's remarkable is that it didn't seem like that long ago I was a 25 year old kid, walking out of Ford with my 500 after spending less than $50,000. Granted, it's a 12, the 13 specs had just dropped, and they were trying their best (X plan available) to get rid of them. However, you can barely walk out with a GT today for what I got my 500 for.

I understand the 2020 and a 2012 can't be compared beyond the name and snake badges. The 13/14 was a beast of a car, but had way more in common with the previous years and didn't quite Trump (my phone auto corrected the capital T... I'm leaving it ) its predecessors like this one has. But, we are 6 years down the road and only God knows how much R&D ($$$) went into this monster.

That all leads me to here: What about those of us in our 30's (or 40's) who live a modest lifestyle and our experiences with our cars are similar? I have 53,000 miles on my 2012 after taking delivery with 180 in April of 2012. She gets driven as much as possible, often sitting in 465 traffic and then taking the long way home to make a couple pulls on county roads.

Us guys love cars. We love the exhilaration of climbing into the RPM's and the sounds of exhaust and tire screech. We like to hit C&C from time to time to catch up with other car guys. If we're lucky, we take a long weekend road trip somewhere and rack up some miles. But mostly, it just takes us to the office and back home to the family.

However, we have mortgages, 529's, and 401k's. Could my wife and I afford it? Technically, Yes. However, it would be one of the most ill-advised financial decisions we could make. My belief is that the performance and subsequent price of this new car will leave "us" behind. And that's OK by me.

The 500 is now into Elite car ownership status. Kudos to Ford for that accomplishment. Just look at some of the names/brands that are coming up in the comparisons... Porsche, ZR1, ACR, Demon/RE, etc. These aren't all the same type of car. Ford has figured out a way to make the GT500 part of the conversation "trifecta": Strip, Track, Street. That comes with a cost and will leave many historical players of the game in the pits. Again, that's OK by me.

The 07-14 GT500's will be the next generation of "old Mustangs" that guys will be buying/selling/trading/modifying for years like our beloved 03/04 Cobra. They will always have "us" guys' backs for everyday fun. I hope we allow ourselves to enjoy those other guys we see out with their 2020+.

Tl;dr: Can't afford new 500. Convincing myself my 12 is still OK.

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There's no doubt that the price point of this car will force many fence sitters to stay on their side of the chain link. At best, you're talking about throwing down $75,000 for this car. What's remarkable is that it didn't seem like that long ago I was a 25 year old kid, walking out of Ford with my 500 after spending less than $50,000. Granted, it's a 12, the 13 specs had just dropped, and they were trying their best (X plan available) to get rid of them. However, you can barely walk out with a GT today for what I got my 500 for.

I understand the 2020 and a 2012 can't be compared beyond the name and snake badges. The 13/14 was a beast of a car, but had way more in common with the previous years and didn't quite Trump (my phone auto corrected the capital T... I'm leaving it ) its predecessors like this one has. But, we are 6 years down the road and only God knows how much R&D ($$$) went into this monster.

That all leads me to here: What about those of us in our 30's (or 40's) who live a modest lifestyle and our experiences with our cars are similar? I have 53,000 miles on my 2012 after taking delivery with 180 in April of 2012. She gets driven as much as possible, often sitting in 465 traffic and then taking the long way home to make a couple pulls on county roads.

Us guys love cars. We love the exhilaration of climbing into the RPM's and the sounds of exhaust and tire screech. We like to hit C&C from time to time to catch up with other car guys. If we're lucky, we take a long weekend road trip somewhere and rack up some miles. But mostly, it just takes us to the office and back home to the family.

However, we have mortgages, 529's, and 401k's. Could my wife and I afford it? Technically, Yes. However, it would be one of the most ill-advised financial decisions we could make. My belief is that the performance and subsequent price of this new car will leave "us" behind. And that's OK by me.

The 500 is now into Elite car ownership status. Kudos to Ford for that accomplishment. Just look at some of the names/brands that are coming up in the comparisons... Porsche, ZR1, ACR, Demon/RE, etc. These aren't all the same type of car. Ford has figured out a way to make the GT500 part of the conversation "trifecta": Strip, Track, Street. That comes with a cost and will leave many historical players of the game in the pits. Again, that's OK by me.

The 07-14 GT500's will be the next generation of "old Mustangs" that guys will be buying/selling/trading/modifying for years like our beloved 03/04 Cobra. They will always have "us" guys' backs for everyday fun. I hope we allow ourselves to enjoy those other guys we see out with their 2020+.

Tl;dr: Can't afford new 500. Convincing myself my 12 is still OK.

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I was 27 when my ‘13 showed up Just after you got yours. It probably wasn’t the most financially responsible decision ever, but it didn’t affect my ability to pay bills so I jumped. Additionally, I agree that theres a big jump from 56K (in my example) to 75,xxx+

More power to those that can afford them though. Shelby models, ZL1s, Z06s etc... were never intended to be the “every mans” Sport/Muscle/Pony car models. You’re paying for the performance and technology, sure. But there’s also a price for some measure of exclusivity.

Pretty good post from OP, though I’m not sure he 100% avoided some “R” bias. Sounds like if you’re a track guy with the need to chew up corners, it may be worth it.

I’ll be interested to hear a similar review from someone owning a 13/14 who approaches from a power/straight line perspective.
 

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I was 27 when my ‘13 showed up Just after you got yours. It probably wasn’t the most financially responsible decision ever, but it didn’t affect my ability to pay bills so I jumped. Additionally, I agree that theres a big jump from 56K (in my example) to 75,xxx+

More power to those that can afford them though. Shelby models, ZL1s, Z06s etc... were never intended to be the “every mans” Sport/Muscle/Pony car models. You’re paying for the performance and technology, sure. But there’s also a price for some measure of exclusivity.

Pretty good post from OP, though I’m not sure he 100% avoided some “R” bias. Sounds like if you’re a track guy with the need to chew up corners, it may be worth it.

I’ll be interested to hear a similar review from someone owning a 13/14 who approaches from a power/straight line perspective.
I agree and disagree at the same time around the intent for the the "everyday man". I think that's what made the previous gen 500 so special. The customer base was quite large for a car that performed as they did/do. They were a car much more for the masses.

This one is not, but that's because this isn't a 500 like we've ever known. Guys in our scenario now will be going "back down" to the GT or switching brands... honestly, because so many other cars have stepped up their game in the last 5 years.

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Great write up, this helps set the stage for people like me who are tentatively shopping for a performance car. Having the ability to toss kids in the back would be a huge plus but I often wonder for my use would I be better off with a gt350r vs the 500.
 

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The PDK was the epitome of manually shifted automatic until a full automatic, namely the 10R80, outperforms it.

Faster shifts and tighter ratios.

The real question would be how does the new Tremec compare to the 10R80?
 

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Not interested in a $75k+ Mustang. Sorry Ford. It's a badass car but priced way too high. Sold my GT500 for a loaded C7Z and couldn't be happier.
 

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Don't & have never liked the 2015 + body style, adding tech / performance doesn't change that.
For my " non road course " lifestyle, the 14 does everything I want a car to do..
 

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No doubt the GT500 is an awesome car with great stats and performance numbers. I just can't get past the price. You're talking over $100k for one with the carbon fiber, tech, handling packages, and Recaros. Then at least $10k ADM.

There are people that argue, "oh well I could build a Fox body that will smoke the new 500 at the strip." Yes, for ~$115k, you could build multiple Mustangs from different generations that would beat the new GT500 on both the strip and track. Dumb argument. You pay $100k+ for the new model, the exclusivity, and the performance of the new GT500. The problem is that for the new GT500's price, you can find many other options that offer similar performance, name, exclusivity, but actually are much more exotic. You can't forget that at the base of this car is a regular Mustang costing $27,000.
 

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No doubt the GT500 is an awesome car with great stats and performance numbers. I just can't get past the price. You're talking over $100k for one with the carbon fiber, tech, handling packages, and Recaros. Then at least $10k ADM.

There are people that argue, "oh well I could build a Fox body that will smoke the new 500 at the strip." Yes, for ~$115k, you could build multiple Mustangs from different generations that would beat the new GT500 on both the strip and track. Dumb argument. You pay $100k+ for the new model, the exclusivity, and the performance of the new GT500. The problem is that for the new GT500's price, you can find many other options that offer similar performance, name, exclusivity, but actually are much more exotic. You can't forget that at the base of this car is a regular Mustang costing $27,000.

for that price, you’re in 992 territory and it’s shaping up to be no slouch of a car based on reviews. The GT500 would likely still outperform it but the price may have people second think it.
 

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The problem is that for the new GT500's price, you can find many other options that offer similar performance, name, exclusivity, but actually are much more exotic. You can't forget that at the base of this car is a regular Mustang costing $27,000.

This is especially true when you take the lightly used car market into consideration.

For the price of a new GT500 you could buy some used, yet still VERY nice, true exotics.
 

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Well done with that write-up. I enjoyed reading through it. And THIS is the one I'd buy if I was in the market for one.
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Well done with that write-up. I enjoyed reading through it. And THIS is the one I'd want if I was in the market for one.
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The new GT500 doesn't do much for me, but I was deep in the Hellcat hype when they first came out. I bought a 15 Scat Pack when dealers were marking up Hellcats. I tried to justify to myself that the car was what I wanted. It was great, but every time I saw a Hellcat I knew that's what I really wanted. I waited and bought my first one out of state for a good deal at the time. I then decided I wanted a manual so found a used 15 at a great price. I recently sold it and already want another one, but have pretty much decided I'll never buy a new performance car again. I think the new GT500 will be obtainable for people who are patient. These cars will be like a lot of performance cars there will be many that are pampered and will be a great car for the second owner at a significantly reduced price.
 

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Anyone who has switched from the GT350 to the R knows the cars are different, and even modifications to a GT350 wont necessarily get you there without some financial investment. The limited production, factory aero, and magazine reviews make the R a car of obsession and desire. It’s performance is renowned and envied by other car enthusiasts across the board. If you have a GT350R because you enjoy analog driving input from a manual I do not think selling your current car for the GT500 is the best move.
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Are you saying the GT350R feels different then the GT350? Arnt the engine, transmission and suspension identical?
 

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