Ft. Worth Officer Charged with Murder

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I don’t know what their protocols consist of, would you mind filling in what exactly they are and how they were violated?



Ok, I guessing I’m looking at this from a defense attorney stand point.

Cops get a phone call from a concerned neighbor that a residents door is open but no movement has been seen in a while.

Dispatcher relays call to officer. No doubt the officer has scenarios going through his head. Medical issues? Hostage situation? Home Invasion? Potential cop ambush situation where someone lures cops to a call and then ambushes them?

So upon arriving at residence, he walks around the house looking for evidence of foul play and doing a basic threat assessment. As he passes a window he sees someone, he gives an an order to put their hands in the air and sees a gun and fires (split second span).

Maybe he arrives on scene knocks and a potential hostage situation goes way wrong?

I was under the impression officers always check a perimeter and assess potential threats when arriving on scene. Maybe I’m wrong on this.

As for the Chief, I’m not saying he is covering, I’m just surprised he is so quick to assign blame to his officer instead of saying, let’s allow an investigation to proceed and go from there. To me this feels like the public wants a scapegoat and the Chief is caving to that pressure.

If I’m a defense attorney that’s the way I would spin this.

sheds a little more light to your comment.

I'm pretty sure, from what the media is reporting, that the officer never even entered the house. They're also saying that dispatch advised there wasn't alarm either. Now you or I don't know anything because we weren't there, we're going off what is being stated.

As far as what the Chief did, you have to analyze the state of our community policing as a whole throughout the country. He needed to wipe his hands of any wrong doing as to not put the rest of his department in public scrutiny. I believe what he did was correct. Officers are to use their weapons at absolute last resort.
 

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Had they just announced themselves she would have been aware of their presence, which potentially and in all likelihood would have rendered the situation that led up to him catching her off guard, her allegedly pointing, and him inevitably shooting. Albeit, he gave no allowable time between issuing a command and opening fire for a normal person to follow said command. Guy was a moron...****ing Texas and you walk around unannounced like that in the dark through the backyard.
 

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Appears he was a rookie cop.

Also appears she did have a gun and pointed it him.

Crappy situation for both parties. Looks like lack of proper situational training might have led to this.

The more I read the less I think this was racially motivated or done out of ill will. He just panicked.

But at the same time, if you’re a police officer and see a gun pointed at you...it’s just instinct to defend yourself I’d think.

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities
 

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Appears he was a rookie cop.

Also appears she did have a gun and pointed it him.

Crappy situation for both parties. Looks like lack of proper situational training might have led to this.

The more I read the less I think this was racially motivated or done out of ill will. He just panicked.

But at the same time, if you’re a police officer and see a gun pointed at you...it’s just instinct to defend yourself I’d think.

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities
Just like me as a homeowner, I'm pretty likely to point my gun at people I see in my backyard with flashlights.
 

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Appears he was a rookie cop.

Also appears she did have a gun and pointed it him.

Crappy situation for both parties. Looks like lack of proper situational training might have led to this.

The more I read the less I think this was racially motivated or done out of ill will. He just panicked.

But at the same time, if you’re a police officer and see a gun pointed at you...it’s just instinct to defend yourself I’d think.

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities
Of all the scenarios you listed earlier one of them should have been; I’m in Texas, where a person is legally allowed to protect their property with deadly force, I probably shouldn’t creep into their yard like a criminal would.

This ****ing tool bag created the situation to have a gun pointed at him (and in my opinion shot). That alone makes what he did murder.

If she had shot and killed him I’m betting the majority of Texans would say “he shouldn’t have been in the backyard.” I’m also betting a lot of gun groups and pro-castle doctrine people would stand behind her.
 

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I’m kind of surprised no one is talking about this here.

It’s a bit disgusting the Police Chief is throwing his own officer under the bus. How does that encourage people who want to become LEO’s in the future?

Fort Worth Officer Charged With Murder for Shooting Woman in Her Home

Doing what? Throwing whom? Where exactly?

I'd suggest reflecting on what you typed as the disgusting part is shooting a woman through a window in her own home. The former police offer sounds like a real Homer.

There being pro active and trying to prevent a riot. I think the chief is doing the right thing.

If that happened, could you blame anyone? Obviously it isn't smart and shouldn't happen but the feelings of rage are certainly warranted.

So upon arriving at residence, he walks around the house looking for evidence of foul play and doing a basic threat assessment. As he passes a window he sees someone, he gives an an order to put their hands in the air and sees a gun and fires (split second span).

Maybe he arrives on scene knocks and a potential hostage situation goes way wrong?

Maybe professionals should have been called to the scene rather than Zed and Mr. Sweetchuck.
 
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Of all the scenarios you listed earlier one of them should have been; I’m in Texas, where a person is legally allowed to protect their property with deadly force, I probably shouldn’t creep into their yard like a criminal would.

This ****ing tool bag created the situation to have a gun pointed at him (and in my opinion shot). That alone makes what he did murder.

If she had shot and killed him I’m betting the majority of Texans would say “he shouldn’t have been in the backyard.” I’m also betting a lot of gun groups and pro-castle doctrine people would stand behind her.

I can see that. Where I come from a perp has to be inside the house before you can just point a gun at them or shoot them. Just being on your property isn’t grounds.

I guess Texas is different and kinda why I have the viewpoint I do.
 

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The officer deserves whatever comes his way.

The call was the door, he didn’t go there.

He then acted like a burglar, all the home owner saw was the blind light from the flashlight.

He was scared, he anticipated a fight, the adrenaline kicked in and he made bad decisions that caused him to murder a human being.
 

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If you can't be safe, in your own home, from the police, something is radically wrong.
I don’t believe this was necessarily race related, although I don’t know the neighborhood and related statistics (demographic or crime rate), so it could have been. That aside though; being unsafe in your own home from police is a real problem in the minority community, hence the outrage from the black community in this instance.
 

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When officers were sent to the house, they were given the following information: “(calling party) advised front doors to (address) is open … both of neighbor’s (vehicles) are in driveway: white sedan and (dark) colored sedan. Neighbors are usually home but never has door open,” according to a police log.

The 911 records provided to the public don’t give any indication that dispatchers relayed to officers that the call was a welfare check. A police call sheet on Saturday labeled the call as a “burglary.” A written statement released by police on Saturday afternoon referred to the dispatch as an “open structure” call.

This is why i'm assuming he was creeping around the house.
 

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Yeah, I've been following this. It's pretty open and shut. Officer screwed up, but definitely no malicious intent. He got spooked.

He resigned and they charged him. If I was the DA, I'd offer him a plea deal that would keep him out of prison, but with a really lengthy probation, restitution, etc.

It was a lot more he did wrong in that he didn't announce himself, properly approach the scene, etc. This goes beyond "white cop kills black woman". It was more along "this guy screwed up way more than he should have".
No way bruh. The guy killed someone and to make it worse he's supposed to be a trained Leo.
Dude needs to sit down in a cell somewheres to hell with some probation.

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I don’t believe this was necessarily race related, although I don’t know the neighborhood and related statistics (demographic or crime rate), so it could have been. That aside though; being unsafe in your own home from police is a real problem in the minority community, hence the outrage from the black community in this instance.

This incident does not come across as anything except a woman living her life in her home with a busy body calling the cops who end up sending someone extremely on edge and completely out of his element and over his head. So many times a shooting is justified, as it ends up resulting from the actions of suspect or person of interest or what have you, yet the community gets wrongly outraged but in this case you can't blame them.
 

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No way bruh. The guy killed someone and to make it worse he's supposed to be a trained Leo.
Dude needs to sit down in a cell somewheres to hell with some probation.

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That there is a big part of the problem, training etc..The Dallas Ft. Worth/N.Texas area has had manpower shortages for years and they struggle to find qualified candidates. I imagine they are putting, keeping officers on the job they normally wouldn't.
 

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I can see that. Where I come from a perp has to be inside the house before you can just point a gun at them or shoot them. Just being on your property isn’t grounds.

I guess Texas is different and kinda why I have the viewpoint I do.

Curtilage is included as part of a man's castle in some states...NH for sure...

Also in NH, showing of a weapon is explicitly pointed out in the doctrine/law as being legal and not an arrestable offense. That clause should be something put in every castle law in every state IMO...but is not.
 

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Of all the scenarios you listed earlier one of them should have been; I’m in Texas, where a person is legally allowed to protect their property with deadly force, I probably shouldn’t creep into their yard like a criminal would.

This ****ing tool bag created the situation to have a gun pointed at him (and in my opinion shot). That alone makes what he did murder.

If she had shot and killed him I’m betting the majority of Texans would say “he shouldn’t have been in the backyard.” I’m also betting a lot of gun groups and pro-castle doctrine people would stand behind her.

You might get surprised by the lack of support. I have personally experienced my "Brethren" stand back and wait until the verdict and my win, before "helping" and claiming victory and credit for themselves.

Their leaders call us to the legislature to show up in force; we get up and speak and say all the things they are afraid of saying; they cheeer us on; then when the shit hits the fan, they are no where to be found.
 

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