Adjusting to Civilian Life

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There are a lot of stupid people on this Earth. Even so, I’d suggest controlling that anger response.

Pull the wrong person out of a car or get in someone’s face who is a maniac and you could end up killing someone else, or getting killed for no reason.

Other than that, I suggest finding a relaxing hobby. Fishing, painting, interpretive dance...
 

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You most definitely saw racism in your time in. You’re just choosing to see your 20 years through rose colored glasses. All this “the military is so great” BS in this thread lolololololo. The military is so structured because 99% of the ****wits in couldn’t lead a drop of rain to the ground. Let’s be honest here; you probably had some sort of authority while you were in and now don’t have it and you want those around you to fit a mold. But you can’t do shit about it. You just want to control others.
 

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You most definitely saw racism in your time in. You’re just choosing to see your 20 years through rose colored glasses. All this “the military is so great” BS in this thread lolololololo. The military is so structured because 99% of the ****wits in couldn’t lead a drop of rain to the ground. Let’s be honest here; you probably had some sort of authority while you were in and now don’t have it and you want those around you to fit a mold. But you can’t do shit about it. You just want to control others.
Whoa there killer...is there racism in the military? Absolutely...is there affirmative action? Yes...did I like being in charge? Yes I did, did I want to be? No i didnt

Even today i like being in charge but I hate it at the same time, I just wanna go to work and work not babysit

The things people like myself who have served just want structure and for the person next to us to want to be there and do thier best, we have no time for whiners or people who think life isnt fair to them because of "insert whatever"...come to work 15 early, work hard play harder...simple
 

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Whoa there killer...is there racism in the military? Absolutely...is there affirmative action? Yes...did I like being in charge? Yes I did, did I want to be? No i didnt

Even today i like being in charge but I hate it at the same time, I just wanna go to work and work not babysit

The things people like myself who have served just want structure and for the person next to us to want to be there and do thier best, we have no time for whiners or people who think life isnt fair to them because of "insert whatever"...come to work 15 early, work hard play harder...simple


I can't say with 100% certainty but I think he was referring to the OP.

For what it's worth, here are my 2 cents (for OP). I think until you break the mentaility of us and them, you wont be happy. As long as you see civilians as a different class of people than you, you will never be able to have that same commraderie you did in the military. You will either conciously or sub conciously view them as inferior since they dont have the same experiences you did.

This type of thinking goes beyond the military but it is easy to see why it happens alot to serviceman. I havent been in the military but from what I read and talked to people who have been in, everything is very structured. So everyone you serve with has essentially the same schedule as you and you experience the same major life events. It is easy to see why you would form strong bonds with them.

It is possible to have equally as strong bonds with those who are "civilians" but you need to find people who are like minded or have the same goals as you. That will be a struggle though if you can't see a civilian as anything but a civilian.

I wish you well though and hope you find peace and something that can inspire you.
 

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You most definitely saw racism in your time in. You’re just choosing to see your 20 years through rose colored glasses. All this “the military is so great” BS in this thread lolololololo. The military is so structured because 99% of the ****wits in couldn’t lead a drop of rain to the ground. Let’s be honest here; you probably had some sort of authority while you were in and now don’t have it and you want those around you to fit a mold. But you can’t do shit about it. You just want to control others.

Honestly you couldn't be further from the truth. Not once did I ever see another serviceman or women scream the N word or treat anyone with less respect th an they deserve as a human being. If they felt that way they sure didn't show it. The consequences of such actions are career ending and that is understood throughout the Military.
And sure I ran several groups of people both on sea duty and even more on shore duty. I have no desire to tell anyone what to do. Honestly I want to be left alone. You absolutely don't know me.
I'll agree that there are dip shits in the Military and I'm suprized many even made it to retirement but to say 99% shows a huge lack of not only ignorance but disrespect for the branches in general from your perspective.
 

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Whoa there killer...is there racism in the military? Absolutely...is there affirmative action? Yes...did I like being in charge? Yes I did, did I want to be? No i didnt

Even today i like being in charge but I hate it at the same time, I just wanna go to work and work not babysit

The things people like myself who have served just want structure and for the person next to us to want to be there and do thier best, we have no time for whiners or people who think life isnt fair to them because of "insert whatever"...come to work 15 early, work hard play harder...simple
It is the idea that somehow in the military everyone is this model "solider", squared away at all corners, a high and tight, and steel rod for a back stuff that is silly. That is what I'm attacking. But that is really only talking to the enlisted side. The O side (I'm not an O. However, I work closely with them), resembles the civilian side much more closely. Granted a lot of the military stuff is there. But they are allowed to be people whereas the enlisted are expected to rule following automatons. That is the entire point of the rigid structure; to keep the ones below you in line.

I guess you do not know, but at this point I've put in 14 1/2 years to this country. So I'm not anti-military by any means. But I've encountered enough retirees (and former military) that have the "back in my day" attitude, and quite frankly it is bullshit. Many and I mean almost all of the dumb ass retarded briefings I have to attend are a result of shit "back in the day".
 

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Honestly you couldn't be further from the truth. Not once did I ever see another serviceman or women scream the N word or treat anyone with less respect th an they deserve as a human being. If they felt that way they sure didn't show it. The consequences of such actions are career ending and that is understood throughout the Military.
And sure I ran several groups of people both on sea duty and even more on shore duty. I have no desire to tell anyone what to do. Honestly I want to be left alone. You absolutely don't know me.
I'll agree that there are dip shits in the Military and I'm suprized many even made it to retirement but to say 99% shows a huge lack of not only ignorance but disrespect for the branches in general from your perspective.
Then I guess you were lucky or more likely naive/ignorant of its presence. You wanted the brutal truth and I gave it to you. Now you’re contradicting yourself. If you didn’t want to tell people what to do (correct them) then you wouldn’t. But you did, so...

@Klay got pretty damn close to hitting the nail square on the head. Out of the thousands of people in positions of power in the military I have encountered I could use my hands and a foot to count ones I would consider a good leader.
 

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I can't say with 100% certainty but I think he was referring to the OP.

For what it's worth, here are my 2 cents (for OP). I think until you break the mentaility of us and them, you wont be happy. As long as you see civilians as a different class of people than you, you will never be able to have that same commraderie you did in the military. You will either conciously or sub conciously view them as inferior since they dont have the same experiences you did.

This type of thinking goes beyond the military but it is easy to see why it happens alot to serviceman. I havent been in the military but from what I read and talked to people who have been in, everything is very structured. So everyone you serve with has essentially the same schedule as you and you experience the same major life events. It is easy to see why you would form strong bonds with them.

It is possible to have equally as strong bonds with those who are "civilians" but you need to find people who are like minded or have the same goals as you. That will be a struggle though if you can't see a civilian as anything but a civilian.

I wish you well though and hope you find peace and something that can inspire you.
You're exactly right
 

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Then I guess you were lucky or more likely naive/ignorant of its presence. You wanted the brutal truth and I gave it to you. Now you’re contradicting yourself. If you didn’t want to tell people what to do (correct them) then you wouldn’t. But you did, so...

@Klay got pretty damn close to hitting the nail square on the head. Out of the thousands of people in positions of power in the military I have encountered I could use my hands and a foot to count ones I would consider a good leader.
I spent my time with a tight fit group so no it wasn't there. Even as the CMEO it never came up in any of the surveys I conducted.
I have no issue with the truth, YOUR opinion of what I have or have not dealt with or how I responded to it them and now does not make it truth. Shame you have or are having such a shitty experience. I assure you 99% is not as you described.
 

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It is the idea that somehow in the military everyone is this model "solider", squared away at all corners, a high and tight, and steel rod for a back stuff that is silly. That is what I'm attacking. But that is really only talking to the enlisted side. The O side (I'm not an O. However, I work closely with them), resembles the civilian side much more closely. Granted a lot of the military stuff is there. But they are allowed to be people whereas the enlisted are expected to rule following automatons. That is the entire point of the rigid structure; to keep the ones below you in line.

I guess you do not know, but at this point I've put in 14 1/2 years to this country. So I'm not anti-military by any means. But I've encountered enough retirees (and former military) that have the "back in my day" attitude, and quite frankly it is bullshit. Many and I mean almost all of the dumb ass retarded briefings I have to attend are a result of shit "back in the day".

Having put 20 in the AF, I can tell you that the civilian versus military and being squared away isn't even close. The military is the hands down winner.
 

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Having put 20 in the AF, I can tell you that the civilian versus military and being squared away isn't even close. The military is the hands down winner.
Maybe I was not clear. At no point in time ever has the civilian sector been “squared away” like the military, because (for the most part) it does not have the rigid structure the military does. This is neither a good or bad thing. Granted my stance here is negative toward the military. However, the OP wanted the brutal truth and the truth of the matter is that the military is just as flawed as the civilian sector. The flaws may be in different categories, but that does not change the fact it is flawed. It is glaringly evident that the OP’s statement of “I want to be left alone” is really “I want things to be how I want them”. Which essentially translates to him reverting to his previous position of power thought process of “I’m in charge and you will comply”.

I have most definitely done the same thing in regards to dumbasses (military and civilian). I’m not putting myself on some moral high ground. I was merely pointing out that his comparison of the two is flawed. @Klay did a much better job than I.
 

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Maybe I was not clear. At no point in time ever has the civilian sector been “squared away” like the military, because (for the most part) it does not have the rigid structure the military does. This is neither a good or bad thing. Granted my stance here is negative toward the military. However, the OP wanted the brutal truth and the truth of the matter is that the military is just as flawed as the civilian sector. The flaws may be in different categories, but that does not change the fact it is flawed. It is glaringly evident that the OP’s statement of “I want to be left alone” is really “I want things to be how I want them”. Which essentially translates to him reverting to his previous position of power thought process of “I’m in charge and you will comply”.

I have most definitely done the same thing in regards to dumbasses (military and civilian). I’m not putting myself on some moral high ground. I was merely pointing out that his comparison of the two is flawed. @Klay did a much better job than I.

It isn't about power, it is about working with people who have a clue and actually give a ****.
 

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It isn't about power, it is about working with people who have a clue and actually give a ****.
It absolutely is about power. In the military one has a certain rank/position/power and that makes things hunky dory. But in the civilian side it is not so homogenous, so things are out of whack.
 

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Have you thought about going back as a trainer for what you did, as a civilian? Sorry i don't remember what they are called, we had a couple that came in and trained us (if i remember correctly almost 20 yrs ago). i didn't catch what branch you were in saw a couple of post above you mentioned a ship so i guessing Navy, do we still have a base in Charleston if so that would save you a move if its something you would consider. And as others have posted Thanks for your service!
 

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It absolutely is about power. In the military one has a certain rank/position/power and that makes things hunky dory. But in the civilian side it is not so homogenous, so things are out of whack.
You do realize there are bosses in the Civilian Sector right?
 
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Have you thought about going back as a trainer for what you did, as a civilian? Sorry i don't remember what they are called, we had a couple that came in and trained us (if i remember correctly almost 20 yrs ago). i didn't catch what branch you were in saw a couple of post above you mentioned a ship so i guessing Navy, do we still have a base in Charleston if so that would save you a move if its something you would consider. And as others have posted Thanks for your service!
You are very welcome. The base here actually shut down around 93 but I retired out of the Naval Weapon Station at the Ordnance Area, the Mineshop specifically. I did try to get a job back there when a position opened but a senior retiree got the position. I make pretty good money where I am now. My only complaint is not seeing my wife as much as I would like. -Shane
 

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You do realize there are bosses in the Civilian Sector right?
What?! You can’t be serious! There is some sort of structure in the civilian sector? I thought it was the Wild West where anyone did what they pleased, no consequence.

Don’t be obtuse. You know damn well what I meant. Power is extremely less centralized in the civilian sector. Your civilian boss cannot detain you for not following orders. You (nor your boss) can stop someone from saying the N word by force, whereas the military can. Had you physically detained the person you talked about earlier you would be open to a number of repercussions. The military would praise you for “going hands on”. Granted there would be some sort of “investigation”, but in the end it would be high 5’s and drinks at the bar for you.
 

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Well dude take this how you want.... your transition or life after is how you want it to be. Trust me there is life after service, and more importantly you have to understand that no matter the branch you serve in, it will continue well after you leave it. That said, you gotta find your passion and do what you enjoy.

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