Is my TB and Plenum holding my back trinity?

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Trying to plan out my winter mods and not sure the direction I want to go. Id like to keep the trinity, but not sure yet.
I currently have the CJ twin 65 and stock Trinity elbow with a JLT127.
I been contemplating getting a bigger monoblade and bigger elbow, but not sure the juice is worth the squeeze, or save that money for a more capable blower?
The throttle body I could always reuse, but the elbow would be a throw away if I swap blowers.

Im torn and looking for suggestions. I'd like to break 700WHP without a lower and on 93 pump gas if I can.

That being said is the BPS elbow worth a damn with a CJ mono? Or is the KB168/PBH Elbow worth the $1400 entry fee?
 

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I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion but here it goes anyway, sell your trinity (ive gotten anywhere from $1500-$1700 for used ones ive sold) and just buy a Gen 2R ( I got mine brand new on sale for $2250 with 2.4 pulley, so only $750ish more then what you'll get for your trinity) and then youll have the whole larger inlet and should make 700 easy with your same throttle body or upgrade if you want to.
 

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I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion but here it goes anyway, sell your trinity (ive gotten anywhere from $1500-$1700 for used ones ive sold) and just buy a Gen 2R ( I got mine brand new on sale for $2250 with 2.4 pulley, so only $750ish more then what you'll get for your trinity) and then youll have the whole larger inlet and should make 700 easy with your same throttle body or upgrade if you want to.

I considered this, but didn’t know if I wanted to sell my 2.3 to run another 2.3. It’s a thought though I guess
 

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I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion but here it goes anyway, sell your trinity (ive gotten anywhere from $1500-$1700 for used ones ive sold) and just buy a Gen 2R ( I got mine brand new on sale for $2250 with 2.4 pulley, so only $750ish more then what you'll get for your trinity) and then youll have the whole larger inlet and should make 700 easy with your same throttle body or upgrade if you want to.
Cutting and welding on a blower case is not without some amount risk and you will not take a Trinity to the same level of performance as the G2R.
 

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I considered this, but didn’t know if I wanted to sell my 2.3 to run another 2.3. It’s a thought though I guess
Yeah I mean you could go 2.65 for about another $1000 over the 2R but from what I understand they dont feel as good down low as the 2.3 so all depends what you want.
 

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Cutting and welding on a blower case is not without some amount risk and you will not take a Trinity to the same level of performance as the G2R.

So a gen2r is above what a trinity with a big elbow can do?
I thought the R was really just a bigger elbow more or less
 

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I dont really understand why you would change from a 2.3 to another 2.3 unless we are talking like gen 1 vmp or something.... even if a 2.65 tvs doesnt quite hit as hard down low..... is that really a problem in theese cars? I have been struggling with traction since i put a tvs on my car..... doesnt sound so bad to me. The 2.3 rotor pack is just such a overachiever..... if it aint broke i wouldnt change it.... mine is ported with a bps inlet and whipple elliptical monobade and after dialing it in i have zero complaints it drives perfect. No back to back comparison though. I just dont honestly see the reason to switch when a 2.3 can make enough power to blow it all up lol. If the 2.65 was available before i bought my trinity..... i would probably own that.
 

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The 2.65 hits plenty hard down low for the street. I do nothing but spin with it unless I roll into the throttle.
 

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I dont really understand why you would change from a 2.3 to another 2.3 unless we are talking like gen 1 vmp or something.... even if a 2.65 tvs doesnt quite hit as hard down low..... is that really a problem in theese cars? I have been struggling with traction since i put a tvs on my car..... doesnt sound so bad to me. The 2.3 rotor pack is just such a overachiever..... if it aint broke i wouldnt change it.... mine is ported with a bps inlet and whipple elliptical monobade and after dialing it in i have zero complaints it drives perfect. No back to back comparison though. I just dont honestly see the reason to switch when a 2.3 can make enough power to blow it all up lol. If the 2.65 was available before i bought my trinity..... i would probably own that.


I certainly won’t ever port mine. It doesn’t make sense to port when you can buy a whole new blowe for the price of porting.
You won’t have traction issues with drag radials
 

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So a gen2r is above what a trinity with a big elbow can do?
I thought the R was really just a bigger elbow more or less
Maybe this will help. The plenum is much larger on the 2R and the roof of the plenum is higher as well.

Gen 2 is in the middle, Trinity on the left and the Gen1 on the right.
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Gen 2R on the left, Gen 2 on the right.
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It's worth mentioning that not everyone can take advantage of the increase in size, but the 2R maxes out the 2.3 platform.
 

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The 2.65 hits plenty hard down low for the street. I do nothing but spin with it unless I roll into the throttle.
Im specifically talking about a non built engine in the 700ish RWHP range as the OP is going for
 

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So a gen2r is above what a trinity with a big elbow can do?
I thought the R was really just a bigger elbow more or less
The 2R is much more then just a bigger elbow, and yeah it makes no sense to race port a trinity anymore IMO as it would cost significantly more to hack up a trinity (they are bad-ass ported) plus buying a bigger elbow, then a brand new 2R after selling the trinity for similar gains.
 

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Im specifically talking about a non built engine in the 700ish RWHP range as the OP is going for

I have a built bottom end and I do not have traction problems what soever in the mid end of 600's. That being said it is a low compression bottom so I question going to a 2.65 as well, but in the same token I was scared to spend money on another 2.3 and have it be the same performance.
 

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Maybe this will help. The plenum is much larger on the 2R and the roof of the plenum is higher as well.

Gen 2 is in the middle, Trinity on the left and the Gen1 on the right.
It's worth mentioning that not everyone can take advantage of the increase in size, but the 2R maxes out the 2.3 platform.

Ok, that does indeed look like a significant gain in size on the back end. I think I have seen 2R's fairly cheap lately that makes it a worth wild consideration
If I got a 2R and kept my twin65, and I going to be choking it down though? Or will there be gains to be had by opening that back section like that ?
 

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To make 700 whp with a trinity TVS you would need porting, rearrange EGR with welding and a BPS/XBA elbow, don't know all what this would cost but it's probably at least in the $700's. That's a lot of work when you could just sell off the trinity TVS and get a G2R for about the same overall cost, I think this is what everyone is getting at when suggesting a G2R.
 

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Ok, that does indeed look like a significant gain in size on the back end. I think I have seen 2R's fairly cheap lately that makes it a worth wild consideration
If I got a 2R and kept my twin65, and I going to be choking it down though? Or will there be gains to be had by opening that back section like that ?
Im sure you could gain a little (prob like 10 HP ish over the 65mm) with say a mono but is that gain worth the extra $600ish is up to you. If we are saying the 2R is worth roughly 40HP over a stock trinity/elbow combo for an additional $800 well call it, the TB doesnt seem like a bargain unless money is no object but then we wouldn't be talking about any of this :)
 

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To make 700 whp with a trinity TVS you would need porting, rearrange EGR with welding and a BPS/XBA elbow, don't know all what this would cost but it's probably at least in the $700's. That's a lot of work when you could just sell off the trinity TVS and get a G2R for about the same overall cost, I think this is what everyone is getting at when suggesting a G2R.
 

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To make 700 whp with a trinity TVS you would need porting, rearrange EGR with welding and a BPS/XBA elbow, don't know all what this would cost but it's probably at least in the $700's. That's a lot of work when you could just sell off the trinity TVS and get a G2R for about the same overall cost, I think this is what everyone is getting at when suggesting a G2R.

Pretty positive my car has seen 700's with some problems on this setup with a 10% already. Was like 21-22PSI of boost though to do it. I am on a stock size lower currently though at the moment struggling to get a good power reading on it. I know its atleast 630's in the heat. Maybe 650's-670's in the cold if I can hold boost.
 

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Im sure you could gain a little (prob like 10 HP ish over the 65mm) with say a mono but is that gain worth the extra $600ish is up to you. If we are saying the 2R is worth roughly 40HP over a stock trinity/elbow combo for an additional $800 well call it, the TB doesnt seem like a bargain unless money is no object but then we wouldn't be talking about any of this :)

Thanks, I may look into the 2r if I can find a killer deal on one then. My fear is that I will be in the same boat and it may not be enough, but I will think it over and scour for deals
 

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