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Right?

It's hilarious how people think the GT500 and Corvette are competitors.

It's because Ford is MIA in that class of car. If you want to pit Chevy vs Ford, even if the GT500 is out destroying ZL1 track times, the inevitable chevrolet guy argument is "run it against a ZR1". Then it's no competition.
 

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Seems counter intuitive and a bit ironic that you said this then where you compared a C8 to a GT500:

"You'll be more saddened when your C8 gets GAPPED by a MY20 GT500."

If you're saying a base C8 is not comparable to a GT500, then sure. Lets compare apples to apples. A Z car will destroy a GT500 and I have very little doubt it won't, even without published numbers. The Z06/ZR1 of all vettes are generally much faster than the fastest mustang of it's day.

A base C8 is the ONLY Corvette that will be available in the next two years. So why would I compare the GT500 against a Z car that hasn't even been spoken about?

What kind of sense does that make?

That's like comparing the C8 ZR1 to a MY30 GT500 with 1200 rwhp, weight 4500# and runs a 9.69 1/4 1/4 mile. We can throw out and compare whatever undeveloped cars you want? I'm confused by your point.
 

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Ford of recent has been behind or delayed with new models, down on new ideas, with a rather inflated ego since Hackett took over.

It's appalling that both GM and FCA have far higher stock prices, while Ford is below $10. And we Ford guys are beating our drums about not taking a bailout.... yep, means nothing at this point. I was a vocal critic of GM and FCA over it and they are in a stronger position than Ford 10 years later? Shameful.

Nearly everything Alan Mullaly did to stabilize Ford and set them up for long term success has been squandered. Wall Street sees this, it's evident in their product lineup, and future product is either VERY late to the party or not even announced.

At this point I don't give a **** about the GT500 compared to the health of FoMoCo as a company.
 

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It's appalling that both GM and FCA have far higher stock prices, while Ford is below $10. And we Ford guys are beating our drums about not taking a bailout.... yep, means nothing at this point. I was a vocal critic of GM and FCA over it and they are in a stronger position than Ford 10 years later? Shameful.

They acted with integrity, unlike the others. While GM and FCA have better stock prices, they still did it by cheating.

I get that doesn't mean much at the end of the day when it comes to Ford staying in business. But I'd rather back them than the other two. GM and FCA will never get a penny from me if I have anything to say about it.
 

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They acted with integrity, unlike the others. While GM and FCA have better stock prices, they still did it by cheating.

I get that doesn't mean much at the end of the day when it comes to Ford staying in business. But I'd rather back them than the other two. GM and FCA will never get a penny from me if I have anything to say about it.

Same. I'll buy an old Chevy pickup or something, or an old Camaro but nothing new. Generally we are sticking with (new) Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda.
 

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Interestingly enough, this greatly impacted my decision.

If I had taken the 2018 F150 back to Ford, bitched and complained about it, they would've eventually said fine, here's a 2019/20 F150 to replace it. Which I didn't want. Felt like it would be the same rodeo. So I was of the mindset lets just get a new baby wagon for the wife, and I'll take her old car..

Except the Focus DCT is junk, and Ford doesn't make anything comparable to the Civic/Corolla/Elantra now. I was pretty my SOL.

Traded the 2018 F150 headache truck for a new 2019 Civic Sport for the wife with all the bells and whistles, and she loves it. Got it from Hendrick so they eventually threw in Autoguard (ESP) and maintenance for a smoking deal. Saving a couple hundred a month with her in that, me in her old car (2012 Elantra limited lol). I'll get another truck eventually, just not new, and probably a 7.3

The new civics have been great cars, only issue we have really ran into with them is the a/c compressor leaking. Don't know if they made a change for 19 yet but the 16-18 cars have been well known for compressor leaks. I think it has something to do with that new freon they are running eating the seals up in the compressor. It's bad enough I'm pretty sure honda will put out a warranty extension on them, if not at least you have the esp!
 

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The new civics have been great cars, only issue we have really ran into with them is the a/c compressor leaking. Don't know if they made a change for 19 yet but the 16-18 cars have been well known for compressor leaks. I think it has something to do with that new freon they are running eating the seals up in the compressor. It's bad enough I'm pretty sure honda will put out a warranty extension on them, if not at least you have the esp!

Thanks for the heads up!

We really love it. It's quiet and comfortable. Great mileage and it feels like a very well built/safe car. It'll be a "keep it till it dies" car for us for sure.
 

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Can we all just agree the GT500 is too little, too late? If it had come out in 2016 yeah it would be bad ass.
As far as it gapping a C8, maybe, from a highway roll. How about hot lapping at VIR or Lime Rock, or Laguna Seca? Say a 10 lap average?
And if gapping cars from a roll is the new thing how's that dude who just dropped $100k going to feel when a Base GT with a On3 kit rapes him like he was driving a V6 rental car, or worse a Fox body Trailer stang with a junk yard LS motor makes him park it.
Again, too little, too late. It's 1994 all over again.
 

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Ford of recent has been behind or delayed with new models, down on new ideas, with a rather inflated ego since Hackett took over.

It's appalling that both GM and FCA have far higher stock prices, while Ford is below $10. And we Ford guys are beating our drums about not taking a bailout.... yep, means nothing at this point. I was a vocal critic of GM and FCA over it and they are in a stronger position than Ford 10 years later? Shameful.

Nearly everything Alan Mullaly did to stabilize Ford and set them up for long term success has been squandered. Wall Street sees this, it's evident in their product lineup, and future product is either VERY late to the party or not even announced.

At this point I don't give a **** about the GT500 compared to the health of FoMoCo as a company.
I'm not really arguing in favor of Ford, but stock price doesn't really mean shit.

Apple makes an ass ton more than Boeing, and is worth 5x more yet the stock price is less than half.

Ford has a market cap of around $38B, GM $55B and FCA around $22B.

GM has been doing really well, beating earnings consistently this year. Ford has beat earnings the last 2 quarters and FCA missed earnings last 2 quarters.
 

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They acted with integrity, unlike the others. While GM and FCA have better stock prices, they still did it by cheating.

I get that doesn't mean much at the end of the day when it comes to Ford staying in business. But I'd rather back them than the other two. GM and FCA will never get a penny from me if I have anything to say about it.
Im an enormous fan of FoMoCo because of that. However, that doesnt blind me to the fact that since 2014, FoMoCo has been on a downward spiral regarding leadership and overall company health. I think most of GM and FCA product is terrible, but one cant deny that as companies they are both performing at the moment.

Meanwhile, Ford makes a fairly good product and dominates the truck market. Has literal supercars and one of the most iconic cars of all time (Mustang) in its portfolio. And they cant crack $10 share? They have a CEO that needs a 30-something chick who has a basket weaving diploma to translate for him to the rest of the company?

Im not saying FoMoCo is going out of business, but goddamned have they dropped like a rock since Mulally retired. That is what pisses me off the most: that they were in a very good position and the subsequent "leaders" just ****ed it up.

The most egregious thing about this though is Bill Ford's silence and ineptitude to make a positive change to the company that bears his name. He and the board are ultimately to blame by their INaction regarding CEO.
 

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Thanks for the heads up!

We really love it. It's quiet and comfortable. Great mileage and it feels like a very well built/safe car. It'll be a "keep it till it dies" car for us for sure.

No problem. We feel the same way about my wifes 2015 civic. Its a basic bitch but it a great commuter car. It currently has 110k miles and we have done almost nothing to it. New tires at 93k, trans service every 30k, oil every 7500. Brakes are original with plenty of miles on them, going to swap spark plugs soon and probably do a brake flush/coolant flush for regular maintenance.

On top of that Hendrick was offering lifetime powertrain warranty when we bought so as long as I own the vehicle I'll never have to pay for an engine, transmission, axles, wheel bearings, or oil/trans leaks. I honestly plan on that being my sons first car. He will be 2 next week lol
 

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Can we all just agree the GT500 is too little, too late? If it had come out in 2016 yeah it would be bad ass.
As far as it gapping a C8, maybe, from a highway roll. How about hot lapping at VIR or Lime Rock, or Laguna Seca? Say a 10 lap average?
And if gapping cars from a roll is the new thing how's that dude who just dropped $100k going to feel when a Base GT with a On3 kit rapes him like he was driving a V6 rental car, or worse a Fox body Trailer stang with a junk yard LS motor makes him park it.
Again, too little, too late. It's 1994 all over again.

90% of GT500s and 98% of C8s will never see a track. So yes, gapping it from a highway roll is the measuring point.
A 10 lap average at VIR, Lime Rock or Laguna Seca, the GT500 will still beat it.
I love when we get to the point of comparing stock vehicles from the factory that meet all safety inspections and emissions...against turbo kits, and 35 year old cars that have more in the motor build than they do in the car itself.

Why not just buy a $50k Kawasaki H2R and gap them all? Or Better yet, buy a roller for $2,500...spend $50k on a crate engine, then kill everything?


Stock vs modded is the most idiotic stance to take on any argument. "Yeah my girlfriends tits are nice." ...."No, mine are nicer."..."Well yeah, but you dropped $10k on them, and hers were free."
 

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This is a sad report on Ford Motor Co., I think we all agree there is a management issue and it needs to be fixed soon. I worked as a Ford tech for 47 years and this has happened before, does anyone remember Fords CEO Jack Nasser? He was not good at Ford and cost them big time, good leaders can make a big difference, I hope they can get that great CEO they need soon.

On a side note I went on Fords site to configure a new GT-500, with the track package and options I would want the price was an astonishing $106,000.00 ! That GT-500 will be an awesome car, but it won't save Ford Motor Co. I thought $65,000.00 F-150 's where a joke, I guess it's my age but it seems crazy to me!
 

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90% of GT500s and 98% of C8s will never see a track. So yes, gapping it from a highway roll is the measuring point.
A 10 lap average at VIR, Lime Rock or Laguna Seca, the GT500 will still beat it.
I love when we get to the point of comparing stock vehicles from the factory that meet all safety inspections and emissions...against turbo kits, and 35 year old cars that have more in the motor build than they do in the car itself.

Why not just buy a $50k Kawasaki H2R and gap them all? Or Better yet, buy a roller for $2,500...spend $50k on a crate engine, then kill everything?


Stock vs modded is the most idiotic stance to take on any argument. "Yeah my girlfriends tits are nice." ...."No, mine are nicer."..."Well yeah, but you dropped $10k on them, and hers were free."

1. Sorry but it is more like 99% of GT500 & C8 owners will never see a track.

2. GT500 would be out of breath heat soaking by lap 5.

3. I would bet the C8 would drag the GT500 at least until 80mph. (Mid engine facts of life)

4. Turbo kits meet emissions

5. 35 year old car with $5k engine is all it would take.

6. Stock vs modded,,,,,,,,,,IDK I'm guessing I'm well into the GT500 demo and tbh the GT500 isn't even in my top 10 of cars I'd want or buy. And I piss away a lot of money on cars. There is nothing exciting or unique about the 2020 GT500. Except maybe the DCT. I won't comment on the feminine euro styling.
It's as if Ford said "Well I guess we have to do something" and they halfheartedly went about it.

Ask yourself this. ""I'm buying a toy, I have a $100k to spend. What am I buying?""

Other points of note. My wife's tits are phenomenal (DD's). And the H2R is pretty damn cool, interesting, and unique. Unlike the GT500.
 

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Other points of note. My wife's tits are phenomenal (DD's).

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However, this is SVTP sir. A pic will be required. Its the law.
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This is a sad report on Ford Motor Co., I think we all agree there is a management issue and it needs to be fixed soon. I worked as a Ford tech for 47 years and this has happened before, does anyone remember Fords CEO Jack Nasser? He was not good at Ford and cost them big time, good leaders can make a big difference, I hope they can get that great CEO they need soon.

On a side note I went on Fords site to configure a new GT-500, with the track package and options I would want the price was an astonishing $106,000.00 ! That GT-500 will be an awesome car, but it won't save Ford Motor Co. I thought $65,000.00 F-150 's where a joke, I guess it's my age but it seems crazy to me!

I remember Jack "Lets buy Euro luxury brands" Nasser. 2 year disaster that set the company back awhile. Took Alan Mulally a few years to clean up the company and get it not only pointed int he right direction, but really rockin and rolling.

Well, we got another Jack Nasser... worse if you ask me. "A leader isnt bad because he makes bad decisions. A leader is bad because he makes no decision." -Carwood Lipton, Band Of Brothers.
 

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