GT500 vs GT350

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I just found/watched the video of the ACR's record Grattan lap, I didnt realize what a shithole that place is. Keeping that in mind with the extreme benefit of the gt500's dampers over the ACR's conventional and very over sprung rate for that surface... I am actually not suprised the 500 could be faster...
 

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Answer the question, do you believe the gt500 will beat the ACR's old official lap times at VIR, Laguna and road Atlanta? Saying the gt500 is not beating an ACR is not putting down the 500 btw... Id bet if the zl1 1le went to Grattan with a factory team effort it would be within 1 second of that time as well.

whats the over/under your willing to bet? I mean, we are comparing a pony car to a "race car with a license plate" yet.. it DID in fact take one of the ACRs records, did it not?

As nice and potent as the GT500 is, I doubt it will be setting track records across the country like the ACR has done. Respectable, even on a cost/performance basis it will be.

but did it already take 1?
Bruh. He has a fast Honda. You can’t talk to him like that!

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oddly, that honda, a 6spd, was waaaaaay faster than your auto TT coyote wasnt it :) It ran 9s all day, even with lifting heads mid track ( 9.4/153 HG at 1100ft) .. and mph'd enough to rip the paint off your doors :(

back to the magazine articles for you
 

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whats the over/under your willing to bet? I mean, we are comparing a pony car to a "race car with a license plate" yet.. it DID in fact take one of the ACRs records, did it not?



but did it already take 1?


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oddly, that honda, a 6spd, was waaaaaay faster than your auto TT coyote wasnt it :) It ran 9s all day, even with lifting heads mid track ( 9.4/153 HG at 1100ft) .. and mph'd enough to rip the paint off your doors :(

back to the magazine articles for you
So you want to bet that the 500 will take the track record on laguna seca, road atlanta and VIR? I have that right?
So beat;
1:28 at LS
1:26 at RA
and 2:40 on VIR..
 
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If the GT500 goes within 3 seconds of the ACR at VIR I will be floored.
Shhhh, go away, im trying to conduct business.

Seriously though, I think it will be in the realm of 3 seconds. Beating it though... That is a bet id love to shake hands on
 
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I would guess within 5 seconds.
Certainly more realistic.

It would be so easy for Ford to have a little video of Billy holding his phone, saying "Hey I'm Billy Johnson, check out the new GT500." And then have a 3 minute long video of him running a hot lap with the Vbox in view around VIR.

It would be unfair because the lap time would be faster than any journalist, but it would be cool.
 

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Certainly more realistic.

It would be so easy for Ford to have a little video of Billy holding his phone, saying "Hey I'm Billy Johnson, check out the new GT500." And then have a 3 minute long video of him running a hot lap with the Vbox in view around VIR.

It would be unfair because the lap time would be faster than any journalist, but it would be cool.

100% agree.

Can you imagine though? Even within 5 seconds would be unreal. This thing weighs OVER 4000#.
 

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Screw the weight, you just can't compare a mid engine (Viper engine sits behind the front shocks, right?) and double wishbone car to a Macpherson strut with part of a supercharged DOHC V8 hanging over the front axle... I think the GT500 will be close, and I have no doubt it defies physics to some extent, but at some point physics is simply just physics and no amount of anything will get you past that.
 

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Screw the weight, you just can't compare a mid engine (Viper engine sits behind the front shocks, right?) and double wishbone car to a Macpherson strut with part of a supercharged DOHC V8 hanging over the front axle... I think the GT500 will be close, and I have no doubt it defies physics to some extent, but at some point physics is simply just physics and no amount of anything will get you past that.

It is mid-engine.
 

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The real advantage for the ACR is repeatable hot laps without performance degradation.

Completely agree, that's one of the reasons I love my ACR.

Last month there was a ZL1 1LE at the track with me...and he was consistently 5-6 seconds a lap slower for the first 10-15 minutes of the session, then fell off to almost 10 seconds a lap at the end, while I either maintained or sped up.
 

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Excatly.

This is where the FI cars usually run into trouble.

It's pretty obvious that the 500 will be an absolute hero lap monster. Anyone who disputes that is living in denial. With that being said, at some point, physics gets its way, and 2 tons + takes its toll.
 

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Lol. It’s not hard to get within .25 second pausing a video on YouTube of a car running a lap bud. We don’t need stop watches for that.

Seeing that the mustang ran the circuit in 1:22 or less, that is a huge indicator of what it can do. Period. End the discussion and admit that is a very fast lap for a ~4225lbs car. Hell let’s say 4175lbs being a carbon car. No one knows the carbon cars weight yet so whatever.

On to pulling weight, it’s easy to pull 500 lbs out of the car if you have the money and will use the car as an expensive track toy. Notice who I tagged. @13COBRA has said himself that he does expensive track toy day runs with friends/associates running really built really expensive cars. Mclaren, lambo, Ferrari etc track toys are what he plays with in his viper. Look up his posts just 2 pages ago. Those viper builds would cost more than many peoples homes.

I tagged him about pulling 500lbs out because 1. He has the means. 2. He has the vision and has stated it before.

Not to be a dick, but what are you trying to put on blast from my post? I’d humor the idea that I could try to appease your reading disposition but honestly I don’t care.

Lastly regarding the magic of the gtr in 2008, it was big power for the times. Z06 made 505 and zr1 in 2010 made 638hp. 485 and later 565 was about as much as you got back then. The veyron only made 1001hp in 05-08. The vetesse was 1200. Today the Chiron makes 1500hp as the base car.

A 2008 mustang gt made 300hp. A gt500 made 500hp. The gtr at 485hp was high for the time. A 911 turbo made 480hp in 2008. Don’t shrug off my analogy about good power and digital grip being the key to the gtr, and later the gtr nismo added braking and downforce improvements followed by hp. Digital grip can come from smart awd, or in the gt500’s case, compute designed and honed carbon fiber wheels riding on custom compute aided design tires and most importantly, computer designed downforce and magnetic digital shocks coupled with driving modes, again digitally produced and established via computer aided programming, sampling, and engineering. Yes the parts are physical, but the entire process was greatly digitally designed, and real world tested. Grip in the gtr is far better than in say a fusion sport awd because it’s not the awd that is important, it’s the setup, calibration, efficiency, and type of honing and programming done with the awd system. A 1992 Subaru Legacy also has awd. A gtr it is not. Nissan has been doing lots of digital and mechanical engineering to make their awd skyline systems very impressive and capable. Ford has applied that level of digital and mechanical prowess to designing this gt500 and is also trying to slot a nice solid power plant in. That was my point.

But anyways it’s whatever, I just find it funny you called me out on 3-4 things that you had no reason to.

I'm not calling you or anybody out on the weight pulling thing, I am just saying that it is not easy to remove that amount of weight out of this car or any car and keep some resemblance of the intent of the car from the factory.

Tell me, where do you think the 500 lbs. are going to come from out of this car??? You pull the pass. seat, strip out all the trunk stuff and what else??? That's not 500 lbs. You're lucky if it's even close to 50-70 lbs.

Again, the normal person that scrapes together the $100k+ to buy this car IS NOT going to empty the contents of this car to lose that amount of weight that's all I'm saying. Sure, you have the rich folks that have the cash and don't care and in that case sure go ti and magnesium, CF everything if you can find items made in those materials to replace what you pull out. Whether you can do it or not doesn't matter it's not realistic to the majority of people here so simply suggesting "lose 500 lbs. out of this car" is total BS IMO.

Mentioning the Bugatti here is comical, if you're playing with $2M cars this car to those people is like me buying a Ford Festiva to play with.

The GTR thing, Nissan, other Japanese auto manufacturers that have a decent history in auto racing and most European auto makes have always done more with less. The American big 3 always have had the history of big...…………….bigger engines, bigger hp, bigger cars. They've always relied on big to compete and at times beat the Asian and Euro makes in competition, but other times they weren't able to get the job done. Bigger isn't always better as they say.

The 08 GTR had the power, handling, and the tech at that time to defy logic in automobile performance even with its heavy weight, an 08 Shelby wasn't even close in performance to the same model year GTR. Ford with the new GT500 is kinda tapping into that technology like what you mentioned and obviously it shows promise...……………...we just need to know the rest of the stats of this car to truly grasp the total performance it offers BUT...……………….there's a reason why a GTR is nicknamed "Godzilla"...………….Godzilla this Shelby is not!!!!
 

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Completely agree, that's one of the reasons I love my ACR.

Last month there was a ZL1 1LE at the track with me...and he was consistently 5-6 seconds a lap slower for the first 10-15 minutes of the session, then fell off to almost 10 seconds a lap at the end, while I either maintained or sped up.
Ive seen drivers heat soak... Was this guy perhaps a heavy fella? Our 1LE fleet does really well with heat managment.
 

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Ive seen drivers heat soak... Was this guy perhaps a heavy fella? Our 1LE fleet does really well with heat managment.

Not really. He was in his 50s, and has been tracking for a long time. This is his 5th or 6th dedicated track car.

It was 90+ degrees, and he said after his first 15 minutes of the session he could feel a loss of power on the straights that was extremely noticeable.
 

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