Ford will offer light weight 2020 GT500

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Meh, I was ball parking options, rebates and tax $75k for a RE and with ADM, options and Tax $100k for the GT500 = $25k
I’m not seeing his math either but the red eye is currently discounted about $8k from dodge right now, besides any additional discount that you can obtain on your own. You can get a red eye right now for about $62K.
 

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So you immediately get defensive and post a bunch of pictures instead of actual good reads. This is why I love the internet. Congrats, you found some examples. That doesn't mean the Mustang, in general, was designed for track duty. Again, I had already mentioned GT350s. I understand the original 350/500, but up until the recent 350s and the 2020 GT500, can you really say the 07-14 GT500s were designed with track duty in mind?

What about the non 350/500 cars? Are they also all track designed/focused cars?
 

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Meh, I was ball parking options, rebates and tax $75k for a RE and with ADM, options and Tax $100k for the GT500 = $25k

I see... I’d just say the red eye is at minimum 10-12k cheaper right now, but there can definitely be even more of a difference in price, once the 500 gets optioned out! I could see the 25k difference then.
 

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So you immediately get defensive and post a bunch of pictures instead of actual good reads. This is why I love the internet. Congrats, you found some examples. That doesn't mean the Mustang, in general, was designed for track duty. Again, I had already mentioned GT350s. I understand the original 350/500, but up until the recent 350s and the 2020 GT500, can you really say the 07-14 GT500s were designed with track duty in mind?

What about the non 350/500 cars? Are they also all track designed/focused cars?

I agree with you, with the exception of the R variants, I would not say that the mustang has been designed for the road course.

Mustang has always been designed to be FUN for the blue collar guy with a side of strip and street. Not a road course car (sans the Rs and now the 350 cars).
 

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Id say Fords history with the mustang was pretty split in the 60's/70's (boss 302&429), 80's?? who cares?, 90's/sn95 was definitely track focused, s197 was focused on providing to old men who liked nostalgia, the 13/14 being all of the above, and then of course gt350 on track only
 

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So you immediately get defensive and post a bunch of pictures instead of actual good reads. This is why I love the internet. Congrats, you found some examples. That doesn't mean the Mustang, in general, was designed for track duty. Again, I had already mentioned GT350s. I understand the original 350/500, but up until the recent 350s and the 2020 GT500, can you really say the 07-14 GT500s were designed with track duty in mind?

What about the non 350/500 cars? Are they also all track designed/focused cars?

So you immediately get offensive? This is why I hate the internet. Congrats, you made some unsubstantiated opinions, proclaimed them as facts and now demand others refute them with research and data while providing neither on your part. That does not mean the Mustang, in general, was designed for drag racing.

Just off the top of my head
'67 GT350
'68 GT500
'69 Boss 302
'70 Boss 409
SVO Fox
McLaren M81
1993 Cobra R
1995 Cobra R
1996 Cobra (4v, 5spd only)
1999 Cobra (4v, IRS, 5spd only)
2001 Cobra R
2012 Boss 302
GT350

Ford has also been consistent in offering "Performance Pack" options increasing brake size, performance tires and suspension.

Then we saw a major push for the FR500 as part of their marketing.

Mustang has just as much a legacy of road racing as a Porsche 911 or the Chevy Corvette. Are you going to argue the Corvette is a drag strip focused car?


Now please list the "Drag Race" oriented Mustang Variants...
 

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Makes that redeye quite the bargain... I'd even take one with the flares.

You don’t like the flares? Ever since the wide body came out, I don’t think I’d be content with a regular bodied Hellcat.
 

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You don’t like the flares? Ever since the wide body came out, I don’t think I’d be content with a regular bodied Hellcat.

I LOVE the flares. I said that because from what i can tell im in the minority, but i think they look awesome.

I wouldnt want a non-widebody either.
 

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So you immediately get offensive? This is why I hate the internet. Congrats, you made some unsubstantiated opinions, proclaimed them as facts and now demand others refute them with research and data while providing neither on your part. That does not mean the Mustang, in general, was designed for drag racing.

Just off the top of my head
'67 GT350
'68 GT500
'69 Boss 302
'70 Boss 409
SVO Fox
McLaren M81
1993 Cobra R
1995 Cobra R
1996 Cobra (4v, 5spd only)
1999 Cobra (4v, IRS, 5spd only)
2001 Cobra R
2012 Boss 302
GT350

Ford has also been consistent in offering "Performance Pack" options increasing brake size, performance tires and suspension.

Then we saw a major push for the FR500 as part of their marketing.

Mustang has just as much a legacy of road racing as a Porsche 911 or the Chevy Corvette. Are you going to argue the Corvette is a drag strip focused car?


Now please list the "Drag Race" oriented Mustang Variants...


Never did I proclaim anything as fact. You, on the other hand, seemed to immediately get upset at my response. And still, in this post, you are further proving my point. My original statement was that up until recently Ford has been producing Mustangs that were more geared/oriented towards straight-line performance. I never said they were "drag strip" designed as their purpose. Now, with the recent 350s and the 500, they are more track-oriented.

Once again you listed specific "years" or very limited runs (aside from the recent 350s) to prove your point. I never disagreed that Ford hasn't offered some sort of track-focused "edition", which you so nicely just proved for me. But compare that to the rest of the lineup and the rest of the mass-produced Mustang, and I think it's safe to say, they were not designed with track duty as the focus.
 

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You don’t like the flares? Ever since the wide body came out, I don’t think I’d be content with a regular bodied Hellcat.
Ya know, I didn't care for the Challenger until the 2015 came out. Frankly, I still hate the pre15 cars. But the WB Demon pushed me over the wall. Absolutely loved the flares and hood.

Then it came to buy a Challenger... And I was kinda "meh" on the WB cars. I like them, but I don't feel like I'm missing out with the NB 1320.
 

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So because the 911 C2 greatly out numbers the RS and GT3... Porsches have never had a track focus or been capable of the track. They are drag cars for wealthy people. Gotcha.
Never did I proclaim anything as fact. You, on the other hand, seemed to immediately get upset at my response. And still, in this post, you are further proving my point. My original statement was that up until recently Ford has been producing Mustangs that were more geared/oriented towards straight-line performance. I never said they were "drag strip" designed as their purpose. Now, with the recent 350s and the 500, they are more track-oriented.

Once again you listed specific "years" or very limited runs (aside from the recent 350s) to prove your point. I never disagreed that Ford hasn't offered some sort of track-focused "edition", which you so nicely just proved for me. But compare that to the rest of the lineup and the rest of the mass-produced Mustang, and I think it's safe to say, they were not designed with track duty as the focus.
 

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So because the 911 C2 greatly out numbers the RS and GT3... Porsches have never had a track focus or been capable of the track. They are drag cars for wealthy people. Gotcha.
LOL. Clearly, you are not capable of an adult discussion. Because once again you miss the point and attempt some sarcastic childish response. HAVING a track-focused car, edition, version, etc., does not automatically mean that ALL Porsches are designed for the track does it? No, it doesn't. But I'm done with this silly conversation, since you can't have a legit debate.
 

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Ya know, I didn't care for the Challenger until the 2015 came out. Frankly, I still hate the pre15 cars. But the WB Demon pushed me over the wall. Absolutely loved the flares and hood.

Then it came to buy a Challenger... And I was kinda "meh" on the WB cars. I like them, but I don't feel like I'm missing out with the NB 1320.

Same here, man. Never cared for a dodge muscle car, up until 2015. I think the regular bodied cars are badass, but now with the wide body available, I personally much rather have the wider stance.

Still much love for the regular bodied cars.
 

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LOL. Clearly, you are not capable of an adult discussion. Because once again you miss the point and attempt some sarcastic childish response. HAVING a track-focused car, edition, version, etc., does not automatically mean that ALL Porsches are designed for the track does it? No, it doesn't. But I'm done with this silly conversation, since you can't have a legit debate.
What is childish is your inability to defend your orginal stance or just suck it up and eat crow.

Mustang has always been a straight line car.... and now, it's not anymore. It can do both, WELL. Think about the 13/14 GT500s. I owned one. I love that car, always will. It was awesome. Ford did great on that car even for having an SRA, but it wasn't meant to go around a track. The 2020 is designed for it.

That is an incredibly incorrect statement. No amount of symantics is going to justify it.
 

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Once again you listed specific "years" or very limited runs (aside from the recent 350s) to prove your point. I never disagreed that Ford hasn't offered some sort of track-focused "edition", which you so nicely just proved for me. But compare that to the rest of the lineup and the rest of the mass-produced Mustang, and I think it's safe to say, they were not designed with track duty as the focus.

Having road raced S-197 cars for years, I may be a bit biased here, but I'd say it even started as soon as the S-197 chassis came out. The 2011 +, especially 2013 + mustangs were incredibly capable road racing cars, and then take the Boss 302 on top of that. The pre 2020 GT500 was never meant to go around a corner, and anyone who thinks it was is kidding themselves, but as a whole that is a very competent chassis.

And not to just take our word for it, on any given track weekend, the top 3 cars, hands down are Miatas, porches and mustangs (of all years).
 

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