First, mass shootings started before the wall and will continue after the wall. The only person connecting those two non-related things is you. Second, not once has anyone said ban entrance to the country to foreigners. All anybody wants is stronger, physical border security, and for the government to enforce the laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. Last, this person was mentally ill. It's already been documented.
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First, mass shootings started before the wall and will continue after the wall. The only person connecting those two non-related things is you. Second, not once has anyone said ban entrance to the country to foreigners. All anybody wants is stronger, physical border security, and for the government to enforce the laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. Last, this person was mentally ill. It's already been documented.
It would seem there are indicators that people (us) know who these people are before they commit acts like this. Being a parent I can tell you that your children raised the same way, act differently in life. I would not blame any one thing, event, video games, Hollywood, or anyone's rhetoric as "the reason" someone goes out and commits violent acts like this. It has to be a mixture of the person in particular and the environment.
Getting rid of some guns, or all guns is punitive to those of us that treat other humans with at least basic respect, and I believe if a person is committed to acting badly, they will find a way to do so with or without guns.
I also believe the 2nd Amendment prevents tyranny at the highest level (see Russian and Hong Kong protests as examples)
We all need to stay alert and say something (looks like the Dayton shooter was identified and the police could not, did not act) if we see or know a troubled person.
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Getting rid of some guns, or all guns is punitive to those of us that treat other humans with at least basic respect, and I believe if a person is committed to acting badly, they will find a way to do so with or without guns.
I also believe the 2nd Amendment prevents tyranny at the highest level (see Russian and Hong Kong protests as examples)
We all need to stay alert and say something (looks like the Dayton shooter was identified and the police could not, did not act) if we see or know a troubled person.
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PS CCW is your friend
I do agree with a lot of the points you make but I do have a question for you, I'm a 42 and when I was 21 I was in working construction to help pay my parents my college education so please explain why a 21 year old
Yes mass shooting started before the wall and unfortunately it will continue as long nothing gets done, why a 21 year old needs a AK47 . I was chasing girls at that age, now let me ask you do you think a 18 year old or 21 is mature enough to be able have a gun, most aren't. What use does a person of this age have for a gun like this and please don't say hunting because if someone needs a gun like that for that then my advise would be to pick a different hobby.
As for me like you said I'm spewing nbc agenda , what about fox entertainment or any other conservative outlet who as soon as we have a tragedy like this if they find out that the shooter is other then a white person they intermediately start saying it was a terrorist attack. I not spewing anybody's agenda but I'm pretty sure you are as frustrated as me , every single time something like this happens is always toughs and prayers and that's it nothing else gets done.
Just think, the Democrats want the Texas shooter to be able to vote from prison.
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This all day the only way to stop evil is to act upon it when it shows up. The old saying Pray for the best but prepare for the worst has never been more truer in this day and age. But the Government will never have the balls to tell people that they are responsible for themselves as that means the Government has to relinquish the control they have been slowly building up since the end of WWII over the US citizen's.
Yes, they're plenty mature enough if introduced to guns early, and instructed properly. I've been shooting since I was roughly 10 years old. My daughter is 8 and will be introduced to guns soon. And what about all the soldiers in our military who have guns that are around that age? Do you think they're all immature? They're mature enough to kill foreign enemies to protect your right to say what you think. Are they mature enough to carry a gun?
I don't need to know what use a person has for an AK47, an AR15, or any other gun. It's none of my business, and the 2A protects their right to own it whether I agree or not.
If the person isn't white, they start saying it's a terrorist attack? What are you talking about? They don't report it AT ALL most of the time! Roughly 50 people were shot and killed in Chicago over the past weekend, more than both these shootings combined. How many media outlets, left or right covered it? Hint: The number is round. People who aren't white get a virtual free pass from the media.
I bought my first rifle a Marlin 30AS in 30-30 when I was 16 and never once did I think of taking it to school or some other social gathering to take my frustrations out on since these was not the people that was causing me problems throughout my life. But this is one of the major problems right now the youth do not know coping skills what so ever. And it is showing up more and more as time passes.
from left to right 458 Lott, 458 Win Mag and the ultra deadly 7.62X39mm which one would you want to get hit by and which one can drop 7 ton elephants at 150 yards. Again big scary looking guns is all the left think of but there is far worse ones out there that they do not think about. That 458 Lott creates over 6000 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle the 7.62X39 only around 1400 ft lbs by comparison. So again banning on looks over performance is a mot point.
The families of 20 people would disagree with you.
I'm sure they would in what are certainly some of their most trying hours. That doesn't make them right.
I dont give a damn what they think...I've been shooting since I was 8 years old, i have several rifles, pistols and shotguns for every occasion.
Take my 22-250 for example. It had a 26inch heavy barrel, 4-12 vortex glass...repeats holes at 200yds without much effort...I bought that gun for coyote duty. That rifle looks like a legit sniper rifle...yet it hasn't killed anyone because that's not what inanimate objects do. I'd bet my next paycheck that a person with no real gun knowledge would shit a kitten and how fast I can empty that bolt action rifle and hit my target.
Action (semi,bolt, pump etc) had nothing to do with the mindset it takes to kill innocent people...new laws and bans wont do shit and you know it
You’re not my buddy and you can’t even use the quote feature properly on an Internet forum and it’s 2019.
Also. Build the wal?
In case you have been living under a taco they already started building it.
The person was a mentally ill white person that is an Elizabeth Warren supporter. Those are facts Pepe so don’t be mad.
Also. Build the wal?
In case you have been living under a taco they already started building it.
The person was a mentally ill white person that is an Elizabeth Warren supporter. Those are facts Pepe so don’t be mad.
I grew up hunting. I had a .22 at 5 and went target shooting. I had a .357 at 9 right after columbine.
We had 40+ guns in the house, rifles and all. Much stronger stuff than an ak47. It’s actually a pretty crappy outdated gun.
My point isn’t to argue, it’s to show that guns aren’t nearly the problem, it’s culture and sociable black sheeping of any gun ownership.
My folks collected and kept guns because they heard from their folks the horrors of ww2 across Europe, and lived to see hold out tyrannical Nazi forces driving over citizen college students with tanks in Greece in the 70’s. Tianemin square but picture 30 students at a big metal fence on the college grounds getting killed by tanks helmed by a dynastic unorthodox force bent on giving Greece to Turkey over time. They had a mini revolution and freed themselves, but the start of it all was gun confiscation via the nazi’s and later the eu as formed post ww2.
Yes it’s awful that people kill each other, but imo taking gun rights from people not desirous to kill each other is not the solution.
As a 9 year old with a .357, I never once tried to kill anyone with it. An 18 yr old can go buy an ak, I’d personally say I know 20+ people under 25 with very powerful rifles.
Off course you don't care, you didn't loose a family member.
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Don't be mad! wow.
I lost both my parents when I was 12 cause they got killed in a motorcycle wreck. Some kids were street racing on a mountain road.
I don’t blame the motorcycle, the street racing, the cars or the road. Life happens. I can bring up stories that people are walking the sidewalk and get hit by tesla or cell phone driver. Again the problem is we lack real education and community in today’s society. They could pass something to ban cars, street racing etc but won’t bring back my folks, and won’t stop people from doing it. I Street race time to time, and ya it’s very dumb. I don’t think changing gun laws is gonna stop a crazy ****ing psycho from finding guns and killing. They get the crazy bug, they are psycho. It’s like child molester. They can do prison time and be on predator list but guess what, only ****ing retard or satanic nut job is gonna leave their children with that mother****er. As parents we know it’s illegal to do child molesting etc but we don’t trust the law to watch out for our children, we keep close eyes. As adults, we have cars which is a very lethal weapon. We aren’t killing each other in big crowds unless we go crazy. Same for me with guns. Educate what the guns are, how they work etc, citizen shouldn’t fear having weapons. It’s a great way to protect our community and prevent huge amounts of crime. Ya it’s sad that the cities aren’t safe, but neither is the wild outdoors or the mountains. I wouldn’t go camping in the woods without knives and guns. Wild animal is gonna kill me. I don’t walk anywhere without my conceal carry because one day I’m probably gonna need it and then I’m gonna be ****ed if I didn’t have it. Same as being camping or mountains/wild. It’s dog eat dog world. 99% of people are pretty chill and normal but the ****ing nut jobs you gotta be keeping an eye for. (My opinions)
Everything is me me me now now now steal rape plunder pillage take run hide repeat.
The big news company’s are bought and paid for by the big pharmaceutical and banking companies. So long as they control the news, it’s always going to be racist white guy is making other people’s life hard, and they always will push that constitution is bad, socialism is great, etc etc.
The banks make money on loans and capital on hand being leverage to make more capital and equity. They don’t get that when we the people control our own finances and stay out of debt.
Hey, we are one big world with almost 8 billion people. I’m happy you are inclined to speak your mind. This is what makes society stronger.
I’m very mad these kids keep getting brainwashed and crazed in society then follow crazy ideology etc.
Quote from qanon is where we go one we go all. I don’t wanna start conspiracy here but that phrase makes a lot of sense here so I’m gonna say it. Don’t be quick to give away your rights especially when the news is saying to do so. The big company’s run the news with advertising revenue, so that means they control the talking points
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Who’s mad?
You’re the one blaming whites for all your short comings.
I ain’t even mad at you Juan.
Did you cross our border legally??
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You're right...but that gun was nothing more than a tool...hammers a still legal right? And cars, and alcohol etc etc
Just ask Europe where they have now got a lot of mow you over with rental panel truck crimes and terror attacks. Criminals will always go for the next easiest thing to create and cause mass panic and mayhem. Again you can not legislate evil away no matter how hard you want to. Unless you go total marshal law and so crack down on everyones freedom and way of life.
R.I.P. to the victims.
Not sure why takiotoshi is in Texas if he hates guns so much and thinks 18-21 is too early to own one.
I don't care what color or ethnic-based person kills someone in cold blood. They are a piece of shit that deserves the chair.
Whenever a "white" person kills people, it is an act of terrorism and racism, mostly racism. Whenever a black person or someone else of non-white origin kills someone, it is barely reported on. See a pattern that only the shootings involving a white person as the suspect are heavily reported on?
Not sure why takiotoshi is in Texas if he hates guns so much and thinks 18-21 is too early to own one.
I don't care what color or ethnic-based person kills someone in cold blood. They are a piece of shit that deserves the chair.
Whenever a "white" person kills people, it is an act of terrorism and racism, mostly racism. Whenever a black person or someone else of non-white origin kills someone, it is barely reported on. See a pattern that only the shootings involving a white person as the suspect are heavily reported on?
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