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I don't agree with that . Both cars dead hooked so there was no advantage to AWD . If the R8 was RWD on drag radials and hooked on the launch then why wouldn't the outcome be the same
My TQless R8 V10 vs C7 Z06
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This.....
And if the Z had an 80hp advantage it would have started to reel the R back in. Either the Z is down on power or the R has a few extra mods.
Nope. Not if the 400 tq car was geared properly. The outcome would be exactly the same.
Torque doesnt matter.
Your buddy has the wrong gears. He'll take you to Gapplebees once he gears properly.
I think youre starting to get it.... torque doesnt matter if geared properly. Am i sounding like a broken record yet?
Exactly.. he proved my point.
The only number that matters as it pertains to torque, is torque at speed. This is what gears do. They move the torque around the rpm range to where ever you want it to be because torque in and of itself is a binary, stationary number. Im guessing 72SBC didnt read the article i posted.
Guess what another name for torque at speed is (actually, the definition of...)? Yep... Horsepower.
Go ahead and launch your car off idle next time at the track for fun. Bet it won’t run a 10.
Why would anyone do that though? I guess I don’t get your argument. Seems like you’re making excuses for higher HP cars losing.
....and all cars use gearing so the R8 doesn’t have anything “artificial” going on.
R8 would wax the Z on the street even worse. Boo hoo
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Maybe you missed what I said. We run the same gear and tire. 285/40/19 MPSS, we both have 3.73, both have 6 speed manual. Why am I beating him when he has more HP? I’m literally 4 cars out on him. Tq doesn’t matter right? His hp advantage should just overcome any fake tq advantage I have or driver ability. I mean 100 hp more should just walk me, it’s like a SS vs ZL1. Why would he need to re-gear? (Maybe because I make more tq? Aka power under the curve?)
So if HP is king why are Honda’s so slow? They have crazy gear ratios even. All that HP and RPM they make and they get wrecked. Why isn’t a RSX faster than a LX fox body when they both make 200hp?
Not trying to pick a fight with you guys so please don’t think that, but why even build big inch motors or put root style blowers on cars. Seems like a waste if tq wasn’t needed.
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Because tq doesn’t matter, he should be able to step on the gas and run the same time. According to some people, All that matters is HP.
And I don’t care about the Vette, at all.
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I think you’re missing the point.
When geared correctly, torque had less of an impact. Specifically on a car that you’re running down the track between 6500 and 8k rom the whole way.
Maybe the vette drops more rpm between shifts? My first guess watching the race.
Regardless, less torque won in this case.
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Way too many generalities in this post....
I'll just say you make a great point on the Fox mustang vs. the RSX. They run near identical times even though the mustang HAS TWICE the torque the Honda has.
So thanks for the great example lol
Stock 1/4 Mile Time?
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/acura/rsx/2002/2002-acura-rsx-type-s/
I dont think it was your explaining that failed... it was that damn irreversible truth we know as Math.
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Torque is measurable horsepower is just a calculation. HP = RPM x TORQUE/ 5252. Torque and RPM matter (they are measurable)
Without torque you do not get horsepower and the same can be said for RPM.
72SBC has a broader torque range which will calculate to higher HP at the same point on his SS vs his buddies SS.
Peak HP is useless...
Without torque you do not get horsepower and the same can be said for RPM.
72SBC has a broader torque range which will calculate to higher HP at the same point on his SS vs his buddies SS.
Peak HP is useless...
Unless you want to win races, then yeah. Agree.
Did you not read 72SBCs results. Same car, tire, gear, transmission etc. The procharged was 100hp peak higher and gets destroyed by the lower peak power car.
I get it. And i told him once the centri car gears correctly, the centri car will win. Of course this assumes the cars actually make the power they say they do.
Ive beat a ton of "1000 hp" cars that likely do not make 1000. So..........there's that.
What’s the point of the gears? Putting it into the proper RPM right.
So horsepower is useless unless you can utilize the rpm.
A broad torque range means a broad usable rpm.
You have proven the point, HP is just a glorified number. We’ve all seen the 1500hp supras do nothing at the drag strip and in some case get walked in roll races by cars half as powerful. I can slap a giant turbo on a car and make amazing HP numbers and still lose.
HP doesn’t win races it is one of many aspects the makes a good car. And did I mention horsepower is just a calculation. Lol
Someone better tell Ford to get with the program for the 2020 GT500...they just need to gear it better, torque doesn’t matter just HP. They just need to sit at redline like a CVT and it would be way faster. I have no idea why they would gear it to match torque curves when they can just match Peak Hp.
“In many ways, this is like having two transmissions in one,” said Pat Morgan, Ford Performance powertrain manager. “On one hand, it enables performance at the outer reaches of straight-line quickness with minimal torque interruption, yet provides an incredible amount of finesse and control in track environments for maximum stability and predictability at the limits of lateral acceleration.”
To firmly and smoothly deliver torque, the TR-9070 DCT dual-clutchtransmission has a novel wet clutch system with five friction plates in the odd-gear pack for a total of 155 square inches of surface area. In the even-gear pack, six friction plates provide 136 square inches of surface area.Transmission fluid is applied to the clutch surfaces only during thermal events for optimal cooling and minimal parasitic loss. Seven non-sequential helical forward gears with advanced triple cone synchros are carefully matched to the engine’s torque curve and are pre-selected by an electrohydraulic shift mechanism using energy-efficient low-leak solenoids that can execute shifts as quick as 80 milliseconds in sport mode.
“In many ways, this is like having two transmissions in one,” said Pat Morgan, Ford Performance powertrain manager. “On one hand, it enables performance at the outer reaches of straight-line quickness with minimal torque interruption, yet provides an incredible amount of finesse and control in track environments for maximum stability and predictability at the limits of lateral acceleration.”
To firmly and smoothly deliver torque, the TR-9070 DCT dual-clutchtransmission has a novel wet clutch system with five friction plates in the odd-gear pack for a total of 155 square inches of surface area. In the even-gear pack, six friction plates provide 136 square inches of surface area.Transmission fluid is applied to the clutch surfaces only during thermal events for optimal cooling and minimal parasitic loss. Seven non-sequential helical forward gears with advanced triple cone synchros are carefully matched to the engine’s torque curve and are pre-selected by an electrohydraulic shift mechanism using energy-efficient low-leak solenoids that can execute shifts as quick as 80 milliseconds in sport mode.
This has been a fun read.
On another note, regardless of tq ratings, having a DCT on the new GT500 should eliminate lots of confusion.
Such as, “why did my 662hp Shelby lose to an auto 412hp-5.0”
Actual response from my now deceased buddy, “Because you suck at driving”...... as I got off the throttle laughing at myself.
On another note, regardless of tq ratings, having a DCT on the new GT500 should eliminate lots of confusion.
Such as, “why did my 662hp Shelby lose to an auto 412hp-5.0”
Actual response from my now deceased buddy, “Because you suck at driving”...... as I got off the throttle laughing at myself.
So, you dont read well. Got it.
Horsepower is how long and far any engine produces it's torque.
I dont know a simpler way to explain this to a simple person. If you dont get it, sorry.. im out. You and the small block chevy guy and go back to reading Hot Rod magazine the talk about how cool the fox body mustang is he referenced that gets its ass kicked by a 4 banger Honda with the same power.
SMH
Lol. Good read bro, thanks.
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