Guesses on performance numbers by trim

just a bench racers delight. This is bound to be full of opinions so be respectful or I’ll ask mods to shut it down.

I’m really curious what you guys think the different trims will be capable of.

I’m personally optimistic to possibly greedy so:

•price
$74k base
$77500 handling
$92k carbon

(All plus other options.)

•0-60
3.5 base car
3.3 handling car
3.1 carbon car

•1/4 mile
10.7@132+ bass car
10.6@133+ handling pack car
10.6@131+ carbon aero car
(Assuming tire stickiness making a big difference, aero hurting speed)

•Top speed
180 (but capable of 205-208) base car
180 (capable of 205-208) handling car
180 (capable of 193-197) carbon car

•70-0
160ft base car
152ft handling car
140ft carbon car

•slalom
70mph base car
71.5mph handling car
74mph carbon car

•Leguna seca
1:35.0 base car
1:33.75 handling car
1:32.5 carbon car

•curb weight
4150 base car
4165 handling car
4099 carbon car

•200ft skidpad
1.00g base car
1.06g handling car
1.12g carbon car

I just find it interesting that you think the base car will be slowest in 1/4.

Ford specially said the base car would be the fastest car for the 1/4.

03Cobra05GT said:

I just find it interesting that you think the base car will be slowest in 1/4.

Ford specially said the base car would be the fastest car for the 1/4.

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Link?

Ford did say the base model would be the quickest 2020 GT500 "in a straight line". It's been mentioned in a number of pre-reviews. Here's one.
2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 News, Rumors - New Mustang Shelby GT500 Details

It has been explained by a Ford Performance rep in a number of videos that the base car is the “drag car” and would have your faster quarter mile time.

Does the handling package come with Cup2 tires? The order form says it is just the wickers and gurney flap. It should also come with the adjustable strut mounts but the order form does not say that.

I would love to know what I am ordering Ford. I guess I will just find out when it is delivered. ‍

" I guess I will just find out when it is delivered. ‍ "
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Ford made it just like voting for Obama Care !!
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I’ll go with low 11s @ late 120s.

Carbon should be 2-3 sec faster around a road course.

The base car on drag radials or slicks is surely the fastest/quickest, but on stock tire, I imagine a 1.95-2.05 60ft time whereas the sport and cup2 cars will likely hit 1.75-1.85 60ft times.

I think the base car has 2-3mph on the carbon car due to downforce.

ZYBORG said:

I’ll go with low 11s @ late 120s.

Carbon should be 2-3 sec faster around a road course.

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There’s allegedly been a 10.8@128 by a gt500 test car like 2 years ago right? Evan Smith and others were there iirc, was filmed by a guy standing at a fence watching

1 Alibi 2 said:

" I guess I will just find out when it is delivered. ‍ "
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Ford made it just like voting for Obama Care !!
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I would love to know what’s all on handling package as well I have seen so many things on this I’m not sure what’s truth. But I think you are right will probably not know till someone gets one and hopefully post it


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tt335ci03cobra said:

There’s allegedly been a 10.8@128 by a gt500 test car like 2 years ago right? Even Smith and others were there iirc, was filmed by a guy standing at a fence watching

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Hmmm... It sounds familiar. Really wish Ford quit pussyfooting around with the numbers/data.

ZYBORG said:

Hmmm... It sounds familiar. Really wish Ford quit pussyfooting around with the numbers/data.

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Dodge loves this.

V6&V8SHO said:

Dodge loves this.

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So does Ford.

People keep talking about it. Their marketing is cheap as hell and it gets spread around the internet like wildfire.

It just sucks ass.

AustinJ427 said:

So does Ford.

People keep talking about it. Their marketing is cheap as hell and it gets spread around the internet like wildfire.

It just sucks ass.

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Lol... not even close. No one is talking about it. This forum is being dominated by Dodge and Chevy atm.

ZYBORG said:

Lol... it even close. No one is talking about it. This forum is being dominated by Dodge and Chevy atm.

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This forum is nothing compared to instagram, facebook, reddit, twitter etc.

As soon as hype starts to die down, Ford lets more info slip out.

This is how Ford does it. It sucks for enthusiasts but it apparently works based on how the GT350 went down.

CobraBob said:

Ford did say the base model would be the quickest 2020 GT500 "in a straight line". It's been mentioned in a number of pre-reviews. Here's one.
2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 News, Rumors - New Mustang Shelby GT500 Details

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Why not just let people use google for themselves to find out their own proof?

My guess: base car will be in the 10.7 @130mph range.

verbal said:

Does the handling package come with Cup2 tires? The order form says it is just the wickers and gurney flap. It should also come with the adjustable strut mounts but the order form does not say that.

I would love to know what I am ordering Ford. I guess I will just find out when it is delivered. ‍

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Ford gets an F- in this regard. Absolutely terrible job breaking down content.

Sifting through various media you pick up some data but even that from Ford gives me little confidence as they have made numerous errors to date.

Ford Social said:

Two handling packages are available. One offers adjustable strut top mounts and a spoiler with a Gurney flap. The Carbon Fiber Track package has 20-inch carbon-fiber wheels with 0.5-inch wider rear wheels, custom Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, adjustable exposed carbon-fiber GT4 track wing and splitter wicker with integrated dive plane.

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The 2020 Shelby® GT500® is the Most Powerful Street-Legal Ford Car Ever Built

So:

Handling Package - adjustable strut top mounts, spoiler, Gurney flap

CF TP - CF wheels (.5 wider than all other GT500's rear wheels), custom Cup2's, GT4 wing, splitter wickers

Ford Media said:

Adjustable front camber plates are available to allow Shelby GT500 owners to dial up more negative camber for better grip and high-speed cornering at the track. Custom-tuned bushings built into the camber plates reduce harshness and noise typical of aftermarket plates for more comfortable use on the street (included with Handling Package and Carbon Fiber Track Package).

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2020 Mustang Shelby GT500 - The most track-precise production Mustang ever

Further clarifies that both the HP and the CF TP cars get camber plates.

Ford Media said:

Shelby GT500’s standard 20x11-inch front and rear aluminum alloy wheels are flow-formed and forged for added strength and reduced weight. The wheels are wider than those used on the Shelby GT350 to take advantage of the revised contact patch on the custom Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. For hardcore enthusiasts, all-new staggered 20x11-inch front and 20x11.5-inch rear wheels are available for reduced unsprung weight and improved noise, vibration and harshness performance. The carbon fiber is visible through clear epoxy coating that protects the wheels from UV light. It is width-matched to the new sidewall and contact patch on the Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires (included with Carbon Fiber Track Package).

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2020 Mustang Shelby GT500 - The most track-precise production Mustang ever

So:

"Standard" GT500 wheel - 20x11 flow formed aluminum and uses 4S
Carbon Fiber wheel (CF TP) - rear wheel is 20x11.5 and uses Cup2's

Lack of clarity on Handling Package cars as to what they will use. We know it doesn't get the CF wheels.

Ford Media said:

Ford Performance-spec tires from Michelin, offered in two levels of performance, feature all-new tread designs and compounds specific to Shelby GT500. The 295-305/30ZR20 Pilot Sport 4S tires are offered on the base Shelby GT500 with all-new 305-315/30ZR20 Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires offered on the Carbon Fiber Track Package. Unique Ford Performance-spec markings on the sides denote the custom tire configurations.

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2020 Mustang Shelby GT500 - The most track-precise production Mustang ever

The above implies 2 Michelin tire types:

4S - on the "Base" GT500
Cup2's - on the CF TP

Ambiguity as to what the Handling Package cars will get.

I've stated that I saw mention that Handling Package cars will also get a Cup2 tire. To wit:

R&T said:

Both base model and Handling Package examples will ride on 305-width tires on 20-inch wheels at all four corners; base models get Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires, while Handling Package cars ride on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s, with tread pattern and compound unique to the GT500.

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2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 News, Rumors - New Mustang Shelby GT500 Details

So:

Base - 4S
Handling Package - Cup2
CF TP - we already know it is definitely getting a Cup2 tire

From the above link there was also this blurb..."According to Owens, both models will be wickedly quick, but the downforce (and drag) from the Handling Package car's two-position rear wing might make it slightly slower in a straight line compared to the base model car.


Regarding downforce, no doubt an aero drag implication...

Automobile said:

For 2019, the GT350 gained a new rear wing that’s shared with the standard GT500. With an optional Gurney flap, it produces up to 281 pounds of downforce at some unspecified speed. However, the GT500’s available Carbon Fiber Track Package fits the car with the adjustable wing straight off the Mustang GT4 race car, which pushes the rear end into the ground with 550 pounds of downforce.

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https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2020-ford-shelby-mustang-gt500-vs-gt350-specs-comparison/

So:

Swing spoiler with Gurney Flap - up to 281lbs downforce (at X speed)
CF TP GT4 wing - 550lbs downforce (speed?)


Forbes isn't my go-to source for automotive data but I thought it interesting that they contradict what R&T said about tires.

Forbes said:

The base and handling packages are equipped with specific Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires while the track pack swaps those for Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires with even more grip.

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2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 - The Fastest Street Legal Pony Yet

So:

Base - 4S
Handling Package - 4S
CF TP - Cup2


I give up. Already TLDR, there is plenty more contradiction available when trying to search for details on this car. Ford needs to step up to the ****ing plate. Jim Owens, this means you.

Exactly^ Thanks @Tob for the collection and effort to put that together cohesively (as possible given the car wreck like trickle and mixup of data out there. It’s no easy thing to get a good picture of)

I just guess right now that the

base gets
200-300tw tire

Handling pack gets
150-200tw tire

Carbon gets
60-150tw tire.

My acceleration and quarter mile times basically are just assuming tire, wheel and aero differences.

Gt350 vs gt350r is a ~2-3 mph trap difference, even though the R has more downforce. ~118mph vs ~121mph and about 150lbs of downforce difference. The unsprung mass reduction helps a lot at the wheels.

The gt500 carbon has 500+lbs of downforce so I think it’s going to eat up speed at 100+, and be a 4-5mph leach by the 1/4mile. Those carbon wheels will be worth 2-3mph though.

Undoubtedly the fastest thing would be a carbon car with the trunk and front bumper cover off a base car.