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I never said planes didn’t hit the building.

I said in addition to planes hitting the building that the building was wired up floor by floor with bombs (explosives is the correct word to use) in the ventilation system for 6 months leading up to the attack.

I will say the entire patriot act, with origins largely penned by Joe Biden in 1995, hinges on needing surveillance to catch terrorists etc. I like the safety’s it does provide, and its 95% good people seeing it all, but it’s too much info on the common man and in bad hands a game over blackmail/extortion or dehumanizing scenario. Double sided sword.

I could be wrong, but I personally think communist bad actors infiltrated and either extorted or corrupted some within the higher/highest levels of government from the 1950’s on and set about plotting some (not all) very questionable war decisions that really agitated the world politics, destabilized areas, and set a world image that the USA was some kind of vampire country. I think it was by design. Death by a 1000 cuts. Bleed here, there.

I don’t think our government plotted 911 and faked planes hitting the buildings, I think infiltrates much like Brennan and clapper today, did a number on we the people and the world
Oops, I got my reading mixed up with the other guy, my bad.
 

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I said in addition to planes hitting the building that the building was wired up floor by floor with bombs (explosives is the correct word to use) in the ventilation system for 6 months leading up to the attack.
How did they know what level to stop wiring at? Nothing above the impact level pancaked. Only after the top level collapsed as a whole did the lower floors progressively collapse. And each tower was impacted at a different level.
 

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It's called burning fuel.

I get that, I’m around steel between 500-2500° regularly and know what happens to it as temps rise. I’m not convinced that the amount of jet fuel there was enough to cause the amount of heat and damage
 

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How did they know what level to stop wiring at? Nothing above the impact level pancaked. Only after the top level collapsed as a whole did the lower floors progressively collapse. And each tower was impacted at a different level.



Some will just never understand the accumulated gravitational compression force of floors collapsing on each other. All stacked supports being equal will not allow tipping to occur.
 

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I get that, I’m around steel between 500-2500° regularly and know what happens to it as temps rise. I’m not convinced that the amount of jet fuel there was enough to cause the amount of heat and damage

Do you know the exact composition of the steel used in the towers? Do you know what all was in the areas impacted by the planes? Do you know the effects of the previous terror attack at the towers? Are you a structural engineer?


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How did they know what level to stop wiring at? Nothing above the impact level pancaked. Only after the top level collapsed as a whole did the lower floors progressively collapse. And each tower was impacted at a different level.

That’s a very good point, good thinking. The collapse just is too perfect to seem natural to my eyes. I don’t know if any undetonated materials were ever found either which further detracts from my suspicions. I suppose a controlled detonation on timers or on switches could explain that but even I think it would be a reach. Then again, traditional controlled collapses are conducted that way.

My idea is that terrorists and bad actors leveled the towers, so whether by plane or plane and bombs, I’m on the side of those saying the buildings came down by terrorisg hands.

Some terrorists had even infiltrated sectors of the government. I’m not anti government though. The few that commit treason or are so compromised they bend to the extortion or threats are probably a couple dozen as far as 9/11 is concerned.
 

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Do you know the exact composition of the steel used in the towers? Do you know what all was in the areas impacted by the planes? Do you know the effects of the previous terror attack at the towers? Are you a structural engineer?


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•I don’t have the exact composition but it was indeed highest grade high strength American grade steel from what I’ve read. •The impact area was the external webbing of steel (whole building was steel web exterior. •The plane would have likely been mangled into bits by that but additionally almost fully stopped by the central section. What pieces sheared off and flew past those two portions would have come out the other end. The exit side was noticeably lesser impacted than the entry. •they prior attack blew out half the basement supports. President Trump actually talked about that prior attack in the video I’ve shared twice. That’s the extent of my knowledge on the major impact then. I assume it was heavily reinforced/repaired etc for safety like a house getting foundation jacks. •I’m not a structural engineer. If someone in this thread is, please chime in.

Well high stength steel of high caliber was used, the building looked like this
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so steel exterior all the way around, with a massive internal steel system.
 

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That’s a very good point, good thinking. The collapse just is too perfect to seem natural to my eyes. I don’t know if any undetonated materials were ever found either which further detracts from my suspicions. I suppose a controlled detonation on timers or on switches could explain that but even I think it would be a reach. Then again, traditional controlled collapses are conducted that way.

My idea is that terrorists and bad actors leveled the towers, so whether by plane or plane and bombs, I’m on the side of those saying the buildings came down by terrorisg hands.

Some terrorists had even infiltrated sectors of the government. I’m not anti government though. The few that commit treason or are so compromised they bend to the extortion or threats are probably a couple dozen as far as 9/11 is concerned.
For the last 35+ years, my career has been mostly about building construction and the effects of fire on various construction methods/designs. I am not an expert. But I am also not at all surprised by the way those two towers collapsed after the amount of fire they were subject to and the amount of time it took to collapse.
 

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The plane would have likely been mangled into bits by that but additionally almost fully stopped by the central section. What pieces sheared off and flew past those two portions would have come out the other end. The exit side was noticeably lesser impacted than the entry.
I'm going to need some proof of yer claims in these three sentences.

This isn't a bullet we're talking about here. And buildings are not designed for that kind of lateral, focused impact followed by intense fire.
 

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We all can agree that nothing hit WTC 7. No jet fuel excuses. Every architect will tell you it was a demolition.

 

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Building 7 doesn’t make sense.
Look into it before dismissing it.
Not coming back to this thread. Ever.
 

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I work more than you. You have more time than me, why not prove an aluminum plane at 500mph can take down a building?

President of the United States is no basement dweller. His gut hunch was bombs.

A 200,000lbs aluminum plane at 500mph is going to do as much damage to buildings like the wtt as a 4500lbs bmw Alpina hitting a base leg of the ifle tower at 225mph.

Ain’t doin shit.

I’ve seen steel at 1500° and up. It’s very bendy. Like bend it with my finger bendy. It’ll whip if you move it fast. It’s still solid but very bendy.

The building would have been very hot right at impact and within the first 3 minutes. Had it fallen then, ok I kinda get it, really hot, support gets bendy, higher stories fall down and there you go.

45 minutes later?

I'm going to say this as respectfully as possible: you have no idea what you're talking about. As an engineer, all of your arguments are based on complete ignorance.

Ever cooked a meal? Why does it take 40 minutes to bring chicken to 160 degrees in a 400 degree oven? By your argument, it should burn as soon as the oven door is closed.

Have your beliefs about conspiracy, government involvement, whatever other bs you want to spout. But, please, try to leave real science out of it....you're way out of your league on that front
 

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Here we go fellas. This is the type of weird video edits that cause question.

At 1:13-1:14, the object is seen between the buildings, and then skipped distance as it the explosion is accelerated. Also, you'll see the smoke consistently and then skips at the same time. All "live."

 

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I'm going to say this as respectfully as possible: you have no idea what you're talking about. As an engineer, all of your arguments are based on complete ignorance.

Ever cooked a meal? Why does it take 40 minutes to bring chicken to 160 degrees in a 400 degree oven? By your argument, it should burn as soon as the oven door is closed.

Have your beliefs about conspiracy, government involvement, whatever other bs you want to spout. But, please, try to leave real science out of it....you're way out of your league on that front

Respectfully, chicken cooks in 40 minutes at 350°* (who cooks chicken at 400? Are you insane?!!! Just kidding) only if you close the door. If you have the door open, even a little, that chicken doesn’t cook very well.

There were holes all around the building on the floors near the impact from the glass breaking out. You can easily see that with every video taken. People proved that by jumping out of the building. Yes they escaped the heat. It was probably north of 500-1000° inside, but steal is still pretty resilient at those temps. Jet fuel can feed a fire well into and past those temps. Thing is there was a ton of electrical fire potential and accelerants in the building like paint, but there was also water, lots of water. Every floor had bathrooms and plenty of water plumbed in. There were also fire suppression systems.

The heat wasn’t trapped in the building. For it to accelerate from a 1500° fire to a 2000° fire, 1, you’d need a hotter fuel than 140 octane. 2. You’d need to melt most all those holes shut. 3 you’d need to pump loads of oxygen in. Lots of the windows blew out where the heat would escape. Where would an inflow of oxygen come from if the impact “melted” the steel shut? Also it’s much sparser oxygen in general at that altitude of ~1000ft above the ground with zero plant life around.

Ever try cooking with the grill lid open or the stove door cracked? You can set dials to 800° but it ain’t reaching 250°. The heat escapes.

I just spent 2 hours cooking chicken sausage and steak so believe me, I’m a great cook. Thank you for the cooking tips but I hope you can understand that I’ve already learned how to cook chicken. But respectfully, thank you.

What branch of engineering do you specialize in
 

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