2020 Corvette Mid-Engine, 0-60 under 3, starts under $60,000.

blk02edge

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2008
Messages
8,894
Location
BC
Meh, the only numbers that are going to matter for Mustang are the continual outselling of Camaro month after month. So when the Camaro dies eventually, again, Mustang sales are going to go up even more. Mustang is NOT in the same class as the Corvette. How many goddamn times over the course of 55 years does this have to be repeated?

The fact that the top model Mustang with it's 5+ year old chassis will be somewhere between the base C8 and C8Z performance and pricing, is a feat within itself. They are going to sell every single one of them, and in a lot of cases with an ADM. You do realize the ADM due to desire correct? Supply and demand? Yeah... that's what creates ADM. The GT500 is going to have a higher ADM than the base C8 because it is more desirable.
I hardly give a shit. I can go to any chevy dealer and buy whatever corvette I want. Saying a shelby is more desirable than corvette is a flat out joke, chevy simply pumps out enough to meet demand, Ford does not. Lets see the sales figures comparing GT350 and corvette. I see 10 corvettes per one GT350.
 

BlckBox04

I am the liquor
Established Member
Premium Member
Joined
Dec 24, 2007
Messages
8,496
Location
NJ
AwtTfnq.jpg
 

blk02edge

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2008
Messages
8,894
Location
BC
The thing I'm most impressed with is the price! All the naysayers, tell me again how a car like this can't be built at an "affordable" price. It's filled with aluminum and carbon fiber parts and still comes in UNDER $60K!! So when I say Ford could build a better Mustang with better parts, THIS is the type of stuff I'm talking about! No, I don't mean make the Mustang a mid-engine 2-seater. I mean, it CAN be done! And don't give me that "Mustang is supposed to be affordable to the masses" cop-out, either. If we don't demand better, Ford isn't going to DO better. Despite the hideous interior, I'd absolutely buy one of these over the new GT500. (And my wife has been itching for a Corvette for a long time.)
Gotta admit, you were right about that.
 

BlckBox04

I am the liquor
Established Member
Premium Member
Joined
Dec 24, 2007
Messages
8,496
Location
NJ
I think Dodge already proved they can produce something completely comparable to the Mustang, and build it at a much higher quality. The Vette is just going to push that over the edge while Ford still puts plastic cheap looking shit all over the interior of their cars.
 

FordMoCo21

Just passing through.
Established Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2010
Messages
180
Location
Dome
I hardly give a shit. I can go to any chevy dealer and buy whatever corvette I want. Saying a shelby is more desirable than corvette is a flat out joke, chevy simply pumps out enough to meet demand, Ford does not. Lets see the sales figures comparing GT350 and corvette. I see 10 corvettes per one GT350.

A Shelby is absolutely more desirable than a base model Corvette. Chevrolet makes almost more Vetts than they can sell, which means there's base models all over the place, and nobody looks twice after a year or two. People STILL stare at a 2007 GT500 going by. Nobody looks at a ****ing 2007 base C6 when it goes by. Also, by Chevrolet making so many base models they can keep the prices lower through economies of scale, just another reason the base C8 seems "cheap". We all know how they have an abundance of Vetts sitting on lots, and thus get discounted heavily just to move them a few years into production (of a new generation). Ford actually has the wherewithal to do some level of forecasting, so their dealers don't have to discount the shit out of their products.

Lets not leave out depreciation... a new 2008 C6Z06 was $70k. They now sell for ~$34k with low mileage. A 2008 GT500 msrp'd for $47k, and they now sell for $30k low mileage. I'll let you do the math on that, but it isn't looking good for the Vett, and that's the Z we're talking about.

Again, you see more base Vetts compared to GT350s because of how many Chevrolet pumps out, vs how little GT350s are made. GT350s aren't sitting around on lots being heavily discounted, Vetts are. So who's really winning here? Desire is maintained with the Shelbys BECAUSE less are seen.
 

cidsamuth

Liberty Biberty
Established Member
Joined
Aug 16, 2010
Messages
906
Location
Virginia
Why is power to weight ratio even being argued? The 0-60 is UNDER 3 seconds. I know that's not all there is when defining performance, but that's what we call an "indicator."
 

FordMoCo21

Just passing through.
Established Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2010
Messages
180
Location
Dome
Why is power to weight ratio even being argued? The 0-60 is UNDER 3 seconds. I know that's not all there is when defining performance, but that's what we call an "indicator."

Because 95% of the "performance" everyone is mentioning is really just about how it's going to roll out on the highway or form a low roll. Literally 1% or less of buyers are going to have either of these cars on an actual road course. They are going to be racing around on the street. Power to weight is what matters there. Sure the under 3 second 0-60 is impressive, if you just want to launch the car constantly and then fizzle out. 0-60 is an "indicator" of power to weight, but the largest reason for a good 0-60 is traction (assuming reasonable hp). Plenty of Teslas out there that would out 0-60 a C7 Z but would get slaughtered out on the highway, or even at the 1/4 mile on the top end.

I would say 20-150 is a better "indicator" of real world performance, and there will be NO COMPETITION between the new GT500 and this base C8 at that metric. Even then, the GT500 will also be much faster around a track than the base C8. Max grip levels may or may not go towards the base C8, but the power difference is huge, and the GT500 will have more downforce. So there's my argument beyond "power to weight".
 

conceptmachine

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Jun 23, 2013
Messages
776
Location
Iowa
I'm taking the Z06 C8 over the GT500 and I dont give a rat's ass if they build 1 billion of them. So the C8 depreciates if I sell it, who cares. My '17 GT350R lost 10K already. I may lose 30K in 2 years with the Z06 but at least I wont need to pay 20K over to get it, and have a performance advantage. I'll take it!!
 

GT Premi

Well known member
Established Member
Joined
Mar 15, 2011
Messages
8,140
Location
NC
...

But for $60K, there's some ugly that can be forgiven here. Hot damn!

...

Exactly!

... In a year, you'll be able to find a gently used one for about $45k. ...

Angh... I don't know about that. I have a feeling the C8 will hold its value far better than its predecessors.

Wasn’t this place demanding GM get shut down a couple weeks ago? Now we are praising the new Vette and shitting all over Ford. The internet is so full of shit sometimes *rolls eyes*

You have to recognize that, even though the banner says "SVT Performance", this site has a very large number of non-Ford and Ford-ambivalent members.

... I see 10 corvettes per one GT350.

To be fair, that's probably because Ford only produces about 1 GT350 for every 10 Corvettes Chevy produces. And, unless you're into Corvettes or, to a lesser degree, car culture, most people can't tell a base 'vette going down the road from the more tarted up versions. Even non car people can tell a Shelby from the rest of the herd. I get people coming up to me all the time asking all kinds of wrong questions about my Shelbys, but they at least recognize that its not a run-of-the-mill Mustang.
 

Corbic

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Premium Member
Joined
Apr 14, 2015
Messages
10,930
Location
Desert Oasis
It's a shame Ford doesn't capitalize on the obvious void the market craves. All the R&D they spent on the GT40 6 banger. I would pay 100k for that ride, as would many.
Is there a void?

Or are they just going to cannibalize existing Mustang and Corvette buyers, thus making all 3 platforms unprofitable?
 

Users who are viewing this thread



Top