Place Your Demon vs GT500 Bets Here!!!! Who Needs Torque?

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It’s essentially a killer chiller setup. You can buy kits for most supercharger cars to convert them to that. Technically you can run it on any setup but works the best on sc cars by cooling the upper inter cooler air charge right before the intake manifold if I understand the system right.

The Freon system is tied into and plumbing is routed to cool the central heat exchanger via a port tap. Works very well.

When you turn on the ac, it cools the cab and the engine.

I’ve always thought manufactures should setup most cars to do this regardless of engine setup because when you run the ac it’s usually very hot outside. It’s common to overheat an engine running accessories in summer. I’m sure they don’t do it to conserve fuel consumption, but as an engineer, I would personally want to engineer a load or demand switch that opened when engine coolant temp crossed 225° or cylinder temp touched xyz°.

Who cares about 1mpg when it’s 100° and your car is running hot? Just put a 20% larger Freon system to account for he expected summer demand when applicable.

You could then put a window switch or digital control for the function in the cabin or have it kick on when the car is in sport or race mode.

But, I’m a plebeian so what do I know.

@Tob whats your thoughts on all this conjecture and bench engineering I’m dreaming up? Should I keep my day job or start a side business with retrofits that can talk to the ecu of most performance cars, or have a small stand alone? Sort of a killer chiller 2.0 now with tech haha

Running the AC causes extra heat at the AC condenser; radiator looking deal in front of the engine coolant radiator. In areas with hot climates and mountain passes, you’ll actually see signs telling you to turn the AC off. This is also why turning the AC on results in either a second fan or the main fan bumping to high speed.


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Running the AC causes extra heat at the AC condenser; radiator looking deal in front of the engine coolant radiator. In areas with hot climates and mountain passes, you’ll actually see signs telling you to turn the AC off. This is also why turning the AC on results in either a second fan or the main fan bumping to high speed.


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Makes perfect sense and I can get behind the physics here, but I’ve never seen (or can’t recall seeing) a turn off a/c sign, I live in the hot 100° high altitude Rocky Mountains.

When we did the cooling system on my 03, we went so overboard that the oil only reaches optimum temp in +90° conditions. My water temp in winter takes a while to reach 190°.

Did canyon blasts with bolt on sti’s and evo’s, a c7 z06 and others last summer and my temps hovered in the 200-220° coolant with oil around 190-240°, one guy blew the coolant line on an evo and another guy had such bad heat sink in his z06 that he parked it for an hour.

My car set for ~800whp and canyon blasting to 150 once in a blue moon then down to 20/30mph for tight 180° bends cooked the brakes but that was it. They came back after ~5 min of easier driving. I really need to get ftbr’s 14”/13” kit and do a proper setup. My braking is trash after a few pulls.
 

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Makes perfect sense and I can get behind the physics here, but I’ve never seen (or can’t recall seeing) a turn off a/c sign, I live in the hot 100° high altitude Rocky Mountains.

When we did the cooling system on my 03, we went so overboard that the oil only reaches optimum temp in +90° conditions. My water temp in winter takes a while to reach 190°.

Did canyon blasts with bolt on sti’s and evo’s, a c7 z06 and others last summer and my temps hovered in the 200-220° coolant with oil around 190-240°, one guy blew the coolant line on an evo and another guy had such bad heat sink in his z06 that he parked it for an hour.

My car set for ~800whp and canyon blasting to 150 once in a blue moon then down to 20/30mph for tight 180° bends cooked the brakes but that was it. They came back after ~5 min of easier driving. I really need to get ftbr’s 14”/13” kit and do a proper setup. My braking is trash after a few pulls.

Ya we had them in Socal. First thing you notice is that once the condenser gets too hot, well the refrigerant won't condense. AC stops blowing as cold or cold at all.
 

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Ya we had them in Socal. First thing you notice is that once the condenser gets too hot, well the refrigerant won't condense. AC stops blowing as cold or cold at all.

Makes perfect sense. Why do 15-17 z06’s heat sink so fast? I know they fixed a lot for 18+ but what changes did they make? (I get the general concept of what happened but I’m wondering if you know the deep dive)
 

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Have those been proven to actually work, and be useful? It was the new unproven "fad" when I was leaving the Lightning game, and everything ive used since was air-air, so i havent followed it.
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Yes, they absolutely work. My car feels like a tired dog by comparison, if I deactivate my Killer Chiller on warm days. The difference is HUGELY noticeable.
 

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840 Horses / 770 lb ft Torque
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760 Horses / 625 lb ft Torque

hmmmmmmmmm

Venom KILLS Demons? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

Please someone explain to me how this race is going to be close? I love the excuse the clowns are making about "too much torque spins the tires!" HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

And Ford is calling this the most powerful V8? HAHAHAHHA. Um, Red Eye and Demon both top it. Guys I love you all, but just admit, this car will not kill a Demon. Nor is it raising the bar anywhere. Heck, if Chevy puts the current ZR1 engine in the Camaro, it will slay this thing. HAHAHHAHHAA.

But seriously, I think On D Bit is going to spin the low torque number 15 different ways. Can't wait to see his excuses.
Know who needs the torque? The over weight fat-ass of a Chrysler LX platform.
 

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2 Ton+ GT500...........Pot meet kettle?

A decade newer platform to boot, with all the latest and greatest engineering advancements. I'd bet an AL block Demon would just about be even.
3,300 Challengers named Demon get their curb weight shaved to 4248. A standard Hellcat Challenger weighs what, 4400 lbs? Unless 200-400 lbs doesnt matter in power to weight then you win sir. Then add driver weight...

But Im pretty sure it does matter. For reference, my fat ass in my 2011 GT500 with full tank of race gas weights 4,040 lbs.

Im not ragging on the Demon. Its a very cool car, and Im very happy that Dodge is slaying it with their Charger/Challenger line. It is however a fact that the standard Hellcat Challenger is 4455lbs, and the Hellcat Charger is 4,575lbs.

Demon weighs 4248lbs.. Except that its missing its passenger front and rear seats and insulation all over the car and has lighter wheels for that 4248 rating. Making it an apples to apples comparison with all seats, Ill give the lack of certain insulation to the Demon. 4248+113= 4361Lbs

2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon sheds seats and insulation to drop weight

Curb weight of a 2018 Premium Mustang GT is 3825 (base GT is only 3705, but apples to apples). Lets assume that GT500 adds 100 lbs of blower and supporting bits.

3925 is still less than 4361. GT500 could add 35 more lbs to that and STILL be 400lbs lighter....

So, when ****s like @Kaneda and his popped collar shirt, tuxedo and slipper outfit wearing ass coming in here baiting people about power output, Demon (with all of its seats like GT500 on PUMP gas) is STILL 400Lbs heavier.....

Now where is that damn kettle... @dannydarko11 gimme some popcorn!
 

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A 2019 Hellcat Redeye with 900CHP, (tuned and some mods, IIRC), can't beat a stock 2019 ZR1 with 755CHP from a roll. It has tried multiple times in the same video.
Both automatics. Can't do it. lol
If that's any indication, then I'm guessing the new GT500 won't be that far off from the Demon in a roll. Of course, we have yet to see the new GT500 in action. So we'll see.
 

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3,300 Challengers named Demon get their curb weight shaved to 4248. A standard Hellcat Challenger weighs what, 4400 lbs? Unless 200-400 lbs doesnt matter in power to weight then you win sir. Then add driver weight...

But Im pretty sure it does matter. For reference, my fat ass in my 2011 GT500 with full tank of race gas weights 4,040 lbs.

Im not ragging on the Demon. Its a very cool car, and Im very happy that Dodge is slaying it with their Charger/Challenger line. It is however a fact that the standard Hellcat Challenger is 4455lbs, and the Hellcat Charger is 4,575lbs.

Demon weighs 4248lbs.. Except that its missing its passenger front and rear seats and insulation all over the car and has lighter wheels for that 4248 rating. Making it an apples to apples comparison with all seats, Ill give the lack of certain insulation to the Demon. 4248+113= 4361Lbs

2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon sheds seats and insulation to drop weight

Curb weight of a 2018 Premium Mustang GT is 3825 (base GT is only 3705, but apples to apples). Lets assume that GT500 adds 100 lbs of blower and supporting bits.

3925 is still less than 4361. GT500 could add 35 more lbs to that and STILL be 400lbs lighter....

So, when ****s like @Kaneda and his popped collar shirt, tuxedo and slipper outfit wearing ass coming in here baiting people about power output, Demon (with all of its seats like GT500 on PUMP gas) is STILL 400Lbs heavier.....

Now where is that damn kettle... @dannydarko11 gimme some popcorn!

I got you, fam!

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DBK has said numerous times the car is over 4k. The gt350 is almost 4k by its self...
My GT350R is 3660lbs. Regular 350 is around 3800. You better believe the larger brakes, supercharger and coolers will weigh more than 200 lbs. Guessing 4080 for track pack, 4150 for base.
 

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Look I just look forward to lining the demon up to a GT500 at 30mph and gunning it. What I love is the cars will give us the answer. Both are great cars. My money is on the Demon pulling 1-2 car lengths by say 120.
 

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Look I just look forward to lining the demon up to a GT500 at 30mph and gunning it. What I love is the cars will give us the answer. Both are great cars. My money is on the Demon pulling 1-2 car lengths by say 120.
No you don't. Stop ****ing lying. You've been called out to race multiple times and refuse to even consider it. People even offered to trailer your car for you.
 

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No you don't. Stop ****ing lying. You've been called out to race multiple times and refuse to even consider it. People even offered to trailer your car for you.

Race what? From day 1 I’ve said I’ll race the new GT500 for $500. Last I checked nobody has one yet. I’m not gonna trailer my car to race other peoples modded cars on the track. Sorry I’d rather spend my weekends sipping mimosas and playing with my Bulldog.
 

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No you don't. Stop ****ing lying. You've been called out to race multiple times and refuse to even consider it. People even offered to trailer your car for you.

Why does anyone even bother? He acts like a scorned bitch. Someone in a Shelby clearly got him from behind, then wiped on his multi colored drapes. What man put conditions on a race call out.
 

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