Freedom to sell blood and organs: for or against?

Freedom to sell blood and organs: for or against?


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Klaus

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How many organs can a living person simply give away? 1 kidney, and part of their liver?
Can't donate a heart or lungs without the person being deceased.

People can donate either one right now and some do freely to save a friend or a stranger.

Fair point that this probably really only applies to kidneys and blood/marrow. If they are allowed to donate, why shouldn't they be allowed to sell? Looking for actual rationale. I cannot come up with one that does not invoke paternalism/nanny state/"I know what is good for you even if you do not" line of thinking.
 

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I'd be more ok with hospitals paying organ donors' families as a means to encourage more people to become organ donors. Instead of giving something away that has extreme value, use it as a means to help the family. Funerals cost too much and life insurance is a crock. (btw: my will states no funeral, dumpster ok)

But, honestly, the argument that "it will be abused" towards anything is too obvious. The same reason that Socialism has never and will never work is why every system will be abused, until we either nuke our entire dirty race off the planet, or the sun says "ok I've had enough of this BS" and goes into a red giant phase.

Wasn't there an X-file Episode on this?
 

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Fair point that this probably really only applies to kidneys and blood/marrow. If they are allowed to donate, why shouldn't they be allowed to sell? Looking for actual rationale. I cannot come up with one that does not invoke paternalism/nanny state/"I know what is good for you even if you do not" line of thinking.

Will the insurance of said person who needs the kidney pay the amount that the donator is willing to let it go for?

Or will it simply become a sell to the highest bidder type of business now and now the people who don't have money get left out? No more chance of having a realistic shot at getting one being on a waiting list, as it is now.

And I have a feeling there will be those people who will kidnap kids/people and then sell their organs for profit. There will be enough people to look the other way as long as their pockets get filled. Sounds like some Alex Jones late abortion theory he had, but I wouldn't put it past some to kill the homeless/runaways/kidnapped for money.

Besides, with the way nutrition is here, people will need both their kidneys when one or both will eventually fail after all the shit they ingest lol.
 

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But, honestly, the argument that "it will be abused" towards anything is too obvious.

What is the "abuse?" It seems that information asymmetry skews to the sellers not the buyers. (i.e. a seller will know a lot more about the health and quality of his/her organs than the buyer will). The buyer is more likely to be ripped off than the seller given this.
 

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If the transfer is not done in a controlled medical environment it would be deadly even if going into a very healthy recipient.

For that reason, it would do more harm than good which is why it is illegal.
When needed through doctor or hospital it is legal to give or sell. Which is what it should be.
 

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And I have a feeling there will be those people who will kidnap kids/people and then sell their organs for profit. There will be enough people to look the other way as long as their pockets get filled.

If that was an issue, wouldn't it be more likely to happen in a a constrained market than a free market? Bathtub gin was a thing during prohibition. It isnt now. The difference is that booze is now legal.

Will the insurance of said person who needs the kidney pay the amount that the donator is willing to let it go for?

That is an interesting question. Insurance pays for blood transfusions and for eggs/sperm used in artificial insemination so we will assume yes.
 

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If the transfer is not done in a controlled medical environment it would be deadly even if going into a very healthy recipient.

For that reason, it would do more harm than good which is why it is illegal.
When needed through doctor or hospital it is legal to give or sell. Which is what it should be.

Yes, I would assume this all to be the case. I am not advocating for selling kidneys on craiglist. Think of how blood donation works except kidneys and you get a check instead of a pat on the back and a cookie.
 

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What is the "abuse?" It seems that information asymmetry skews to the sellers not the buyers. (i.e. a seller will know a lot more about the health and quality of his/her organs than the buyer will). The buyer is more likely to be ripped off than the seller given this.

Meaning, people will inevitably figure out a way to exploit any system. My point with the previous post is that human nature is a risk in everything. It's not a new factor to consider, it's a guarantee that someone will do something stupid. There is already a black market on organ harvesting.

I say do it, make it so people can willfully sell their own organs. The laws of supply and demand will kick in fast. There's a reason blood/plasma isn't $10,000 a pint (well, until the insurance companies get hold of the paperwork).

But, just as I say with most situations... Full freedom, harsh consequences.
 
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If you give a prostitute a pint of blood for a blowjob, did anything illegal occur?
 

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I just had a really interesting debate on the topic of organ sales. The US prohibits the sale of blood and organs despite the huge imbalance of supply and demand for these. Thousands of people die each year because there is a shortage of blood and organs and to deny those that want to sell is to deny their personal autonomy. A free market would solve both of these. What says you?

For a self proclaimed intelligent man suck as yourself surely I do not have to explain why sellin organs is a bad idea.

Do I?
 

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I would argue the legal sale of organ blood tissue etc would lead to jobs. MAGA regulation jobs, tracking clinics and technology, since they claim 80% of all jobs will be done by robots by 2017 due to automation. At least let us make money on the only thing robots cant do.

But in reality, Organ sales and overall increase in cost of organs could lead to more funding in cutting edge technology to regenerate/repair organs or replace them entirely. Thereby allowing the robots to take over again.
 

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Yes, I would assume this all to be the case. I am not advocating for selling kidneys on craiglist. Think of how blood donation works except kidneys and you get a check instead of a pat on the back and a cookie.
I think this is how it currently works. Everything through medical wait lists. Not sure if the giver is paid though. Haha
 

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