How does "golden ticket" work on CF Track Pack orders?

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I know I'm drooling at the chops to see what this mid engine looks like "in the flesh" ! More importantly the trim models that will be available out of the gate, or at least a release plan for the Z06 or zr1 version. I have a feeling it will be a while on the higher HP versions.
Regarding the GT500...
If 350 stops production for '21 MY, they should be able to add another 3000+ GT500s per year. I'm thinking 12000 minimum to possibly 20,000 maximum, S550 GT500s.
 

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Wait....that second to last blurb about selling 4 Shelby's combined over those two CY's....Nick, shouldnt you qualify?

You would sure think so. I'm currently appealing with Ford. They said since the GT350s I sold were primarily other dealership's allocations I do not qualify. I simply told them that nothing in the 'rulebook' says that it shouldn't count.

It's not super promising, but it's worth a fight to see.
 

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I'd fight that tooth and nail stating to them that they are clearly discriminating against "smaller" dealerships, that you fulfilled the obligations as stated, and that now they are changing the rules as they seem fit via some unwritten policy that allows furtherance of a means to violate the understang both you and they agreed to when you paid to be a part of the program.

Question - how many GT350's did you sell in that period?
I'm holding out hope that Ford will offer the oil separator as a standalone option in the final Order Guide along with the detailed contents of all the packages.

I sense that won't happen, based on past practice, and that you'll just be told it is available from Ford Performance.
 

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I wanted the CF TP car as well but quickly bailed when I saw how hokey it was going to play out. I wouldn't throw the baby/bathwater out because of that though. The way I see it, the "delicate" CF wheels would have gone on a shelf anyway (but I do pine for the GT4 CF wing) as I want to do a custom wheel/tire that better fills the wheelwell area. The Handling Package is a splitter wicker install away from matching the CF TP car up front and out back I can dig the swing with the Gurney flap in place. Car will have the same engine and DCT. I do want the RSD and will likely install one just like I did on my last two Shelby's. So that 18.k difference will indeed dwindle with the changes I plan on but saving some coin while having a close match in terms of performance...that works for me.
 

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I too am hoping Nick can get multiple CF allocations so I get a shot at one, other wise the base I optioned up will do just fine.
 

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Wouldn't it be nice if you could just walk into a Ford dealer with no bullshit and order the car you want, equipped the way you want it. ..... I suspect ordering will be easier MY 3+, but how many might just opt for a C8 instead?
Yep, there are other choices beyond Ford. They're going to alienate more Ford fans with this outrageously stupid marketing of the GT-500. As much as I like the 2020 GT-500, I wouldn't put up with how difficult and confusing Ford is making the GT-500 ordering process for dealers as far as allocations. My 2016 Edge Sport was my last Ford product. With what they DIDN'T do with the 2019 Edge ST, I'm sitting on the sidelines going forward.
 

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I swore I'd never do Ford again after my '13 Mustang Super Cobra Jet blew a transmission seal and later blew an intercooler pump during a 1/4 mile run and the engine grenaded. A lot of coin on a specialty car for it to have those issues. But here I am again ordering a GT500. I'll learn one day I guess.
 

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Wouldn't it be nice if you could just walk into a Ford dealer with no bullshit and order the car you want, equipped the way you want it. Unless there are vender delivery issues, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to do so.
BINGO my brother!!!
Exactly what I've said in the past and still do to this day.
 

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I told myself that I would never buy another new Ford after all the crap I had to consume when I bought my 2013. Fast forward 6 1/2 years and I am doing it again, hopefully with less drama.

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I'd fight that tooth and nail stating to them that they are clearly discriminating against "smaller" dealerships, that you fulfilled the obligations as stated, and that now they are changing the rules as they seem fit via some unwritten policy that allows furtherance of a means to violate the understang both you and they agreed to when you paid to be a part of the program.

Question - how many GT350's did you sell in that period?


I sense that won't happen, based on past practice, and that you'll just be told it is available from Ford Performance.

Nine or ten.

I'm fighting it hard. In reality, I think I should qualify for at least one if not two GT350Rs as well. But we'll see how it plays out.
 

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It looks to me like Ford is making it's dealer network jump through " extra " hoops, & punishing the buying public for failure to outsmart said hoops..
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Nine or ten.

I'm fighting it hard. In reality, I think I should qualify for at least one if not two GT350Rs as well. But we'll see how it plays out.

So your regional guy goes to bat for you, with who or what department?
 

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So your regional guy goes to bat for you, with who or what department?

My regional guy more or less passes me on to Dearborn. At this point he's out of the equation, as he can't really help me.

Ford's argument is, which I understand, that since I acquired all of these vehicles from other dealers that the first dealers would've sold them if I hadn't...so it's not like I created sales, I just moved them around.

My argument, is that the other dealers didn't want the allocations and would've passed on them, if I hadn't of purchased them..therefore I did indeed create sales.
 

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BINGO my brother!!!
Exactly what I've said in the past and still do to this day.
Me as well. I remember back in 1969 when I ordered my 1970 Road Runner through the military channel and just as you would have done at a dealership in the states, I went through the entire list of options and ticked off all the ones I wanted. I got exactly what I wanted, with nothing missing and nothing added by the dealer. o_O The past three cars we've bought came with 2-3 options we didn't want. Mini Coopers can be custom configured a-la-carte. So, yeah, I'd love to be able to pick features and options to customize my vehicle that exact way I wanted it.
 

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My argument is simply that you made the sale happen multiple times and thus you were the one making the contribution to the national sales number. The customers that purchased them got them as a result of your sales efforts and no one elses. I don't see the program defined in further detail but the simple golden ticket crap we are now seeing. Is there fine print elsewhere regarding this very situation that further clarifies?

Furthermore, this...

"Ford's argument is, which I understand, that since I acquired all of these vehicles from other dealers that the first dealers would've sold them if I hadn't...so it's not like I created sales, I just moved them around."

Woulda, coulda, shoulda....bottom line, you made the sale. Who gets credited for the sale of a vehicle that was swapped from another dealer? Other than the one that sold that specific vehicle, the dealer that originally had the car?

In addition, the above in quotes shows how the discriminatory practice works. You paid to be part of the program. You met the sales numbers. But now you are penalized because Ford didn't want you to have those vehicles in the first place, thus ensuring that you never acquire a Wonka Ticket. That is pure rubbish, against the spirit of the program with respect to sales, and a selectively administered program designed to reward only those that Ford deems worthy, regardless if you made the same successful efforts to help Ford achieve their sales goals.

In essence, this is garbage. A slap in the face to loyal dealers and a situation that creates even more problems from an eager to buy public that is ultimately turned away.
 

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Me as well. I remember back in 1969 when I ordered my 1970 Road Runner through the military channel and just as you would have done at a dealership in the states, I went through the entire list of options and ticked off all the ones I wanted. I got exactly what I wanted, with nothing missing and nothing added by the dealer. o_O The past three cars we've bought came with 2-3 options we didn't want. Mini Coopers can be custom configured a-la-carte. So, yeah, I'd love to be able to pick features and options to customize my vehicle that exact way I wanted it.

It would cost Ford a fortune to allow every option to be a-la-carte. Not only would it physically cost more money to have so many options per vehicle, but it would cost them so much money in time to get each order exactly as it was spec'd.

Not to mention, it would take me all 30 days of the month to order my month's allocation haha
 

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Time to dispel some myths. TLDR; most of what you've read is bullshit, it primarily mattered whether you owned an 05/06 and if you really drove it, or you were a big partner with FMC.

Myth - Social media was a big factor in whether or not you received a Ford GT.

This is completely and totally wrong. You can argue it if you like, but you will be wrong. By far, the single biggest group of people that were awarded cars were previous generation Ford GT owners. It was just under 70%. So right off the bat, out of 750 initial allocations, 500+ of them went to people on the basis of their ownership of the 2005/2006 Ford GT.

The vast majority of these people have ZERO social media presence. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. I know this, because I know a very, very large percentage of them personally. Most of them are what you'd expect - guys that are 50-70 years old, that have a Ford GT, many of them were the original buyers of their GT, many of them have multiple Ford GTs, and many more of them have a large amount of Fords in general including the GT, various Mustangs, trucks, whatever. Serious consideration was given to what kind of usage and how many miles you've driven the car during your ownership.

So regardless of what other nonsense you read, the truth of the matter is the single biggest factor for getting allocated a new GT was based on your ownership of the 05/06. You can jumble together these criteria:

  • Do you own a 2005/2006 Ford GT?
  • Were you the original owner?
  • If not, how long have you owned it?
  • What have you done with it while you owned it?
  • How many miles do you have on it?
Obviously with 4,038 cars built in 05/06, maybe 70% of that number of total owners (duplicates and totals), there was going to be deserving owners who missed out on round 1. People with patience will get their chance.

Beyond owning a 2005/2006 GT, just under 90% of the 750 cars went to people that own Fords. There is a sprinkling in there of people who had bonkers collections of Mustangs or other Vintage Fords, but moreso they definitely gave allocations to major supplier partners or fleet customers, and a relatively small amount of major dealers. As an example when I say "fleet customer," I've spent quite a bit of time talking to a guy whose company has bought over 100,000 vehicles from Ford. Probably a good idea they sold him one.

For the past two years I've been enlisted by Ford to assist with their 24 Hours of Le Mans hospitality program, which everyone with an allocation was invited to, so I've had more interaction with people getting these cars than anyone outside the literal team that takes their orders.

So if you ran it down, it would be something like:

  • Ford GT Owners
  • Major Fleet Customers
  • Suppliers
  • Dealers
  • Various other important corporate partners
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  • Social Media related people
It cracks me up when I read people shit like Facebook mattered. Yeah, no it didn't. Social media mattered for about 1% of the allocations, and that's just the allocations so far. And including someone like Andy Frisella is debatable because he likely would have got one with or without social media because he already owned (and beat) multiple GTs. The future cars will go much deeper into the well of the enthusiasts.

Do yourself a favor and ask yourself to name a dozen people who got Ford GTs on the basis of social media. It's going to be a challenge.

There was a lot of butthurt over Shmee getting a car, but the UK got virtually no Ford GTs in 2005/2006. There were 101 total European cars officially sold those years, and the UK total was in the 20s I think. It just wasn't the same scenario as the U.S market because the pool was way smaller, so they obviously stretched their criteria out a little. Every time I turned around at Le Mans last year, he was milling about, so I figured then he was a done deal.

As far as the amount produced, I've been to Multimatic Niche Vehicles three times; once to visit, and twice to watch my car get built. I know Larry Holt, the technical brains at Multimatic, and literal ****ing GENIUS, very well. Everyone, and I mean everyone, enlists him to make their good toys work. Red Bull F1, Ford, Aston Martin, Chevrolet, literally half the field at Le Mans...you name it, they do it. Every Ferrari GTE car runs his shit. And you will see details about them building shit far more insane than the GT in the not too distant future.

The GT cannot be produced at a high rate. It's a literal hand built car in the same way a Vulcan is. Every panel is produced by hand, formed in the 10 atmosphere autoclave at MM. The GT is a really impressive car on the exterior, but it is truly astonishing apart. There is nothing else like it. They are knocking out so much billet and CF stuff on this car it's ridiculous. Feels more like a race shop than a production facility.
 

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My chances are dwindling by every message posted here lol. But totally agree with the way they handle this which I feel is not a fair way to distribute them. “Only the best most profitable” it seems.


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