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It was common knowledge that the 99 had that issue, not the 2001

It was the ‘99, not ‘01. I had ‘99 that was corrected. IfI recall,Ford replaced the exhaust, idler pulley, upper air intake and a computer re-flash.


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Regardless, I give Dodge major credit for the crate kit. Ford will have an oil separator, a Borla exhaust, and some stickers in their aftermarket catalog - unless they actually got off their ass during development. After what little they offered for the GT350, I have my doubts.

Ehh, this doesn't really surprise me. I believe there is something to be said for a car that is 100% ready to go as it sits, but the OEMs aren't stupid, they know people are heading to the aftermarket for their parts.

I've been playing drums for many years now, and the best analogy I can make is comparing these cars to high end kits. Most top of the line drum kits you can buy don't even come with a snare drum, because they know drummers are going to use their own anyways... Makes sense, why would the company waste time and money on it when you aren't going to use it? I feel the same can be said for aftermarket parts. Sure, it would be nice if Ford Racing had a decent catalog again, but who's really buying it?
 

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Regardless, I give Dodge major credit for the crate kit. Ford will have an oil separator, a Borla exhaust, and some stickers in their aftermarket catalog - unless they actually got off their ass during development. After what little they offered for the GT350, I have my doubts.
I hoped Ford would be the first manufacturer to install a maintenance-free oil separator. Dodge made an effort with l-shaped valve covers on the Hellcat but it's still not a true separator.
 

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I hoped Ford would be the first manufacturer to install a maintenance-free oil separator. Dodge made an effort with l-shaped valve covers on the Hellcat but it's still not a true separator.
This part should be that. And while stock on the CF TP cars, I’d guess most guys in the know will upgrade.
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To be clear, it has been said that the separator would in the trunk, and not installed on the line for CF TP cars.
 

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I hoped Ford would be the first manufacturer to install a maintenance-free oil separator. Dodge made an effort with l-shaped valve covers on the Hellcat but it's still not a true separator.

C7 Corvettes with the dry sump engine have maintenance free oil separators. Maybe the Dry sump C6s too, I just know for a fact the C7s have them.
 

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Interesting thread. Not sure if GT500 has something similar, but Demons/Redeyes come with the SRT Power Chiller that cools SC with air conditioner freon. I've seen it work. IC temps drop 20 degrees. It's a nice little item to have.
 
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Interesting thread. Not sure if GT500 has something similar, but Demons/Redeyes come with the SRT Power Chiller that cools SC with air conditioner freon. I've seen it work. IC temps drop 20 degrees. It's a nice little item to have.

It’s essentially a killer chiller setup. You can buy kits for most supercharger cars to convert them to that. Technically you can run it on any setup but works the best on sc cars by cooling the upper inter cooler air charge right before the intake manifold if I understand the system right.

The Freon system is tied into and plumbing is routed to cool the central heat exchanger via a port tap. Works very well.

When you turn on the ac, it cools the cab and the engine.

I’ve always thought manufactures should setup most cars to do this regardless of engine setup because when you run the ac it’s usually very hot outside. It’s common to overheat an engine running accessories in summer. I’m sure they don’t do it to conserve fuel consumption, but as an engineer, I would personally want to engineer a load or demand switch that opened when engine coolant temp crossed 225° or cylinder temp touched xyz°.

Who cares about 1mpg when it’s 100° and your car is running hot? Just put a 20% larger Freon system to account for he expected summer demand when applicable.

You could then put a window switch or digital control for the function in the cabin or have it kick on when the car is in sport or race mode.

But, I’m a plebeian so what do I know.

@Tob whats your thoughts on all this conjecture and bench engineering I’m dreaming up? Should I keep my day job or start a side business with retrofits that can talk to the ecu of most performance cars, or have a small stand alone? Sort of a killer chiller 2.0 now with tech haha
 

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It’s essentially a killer chiller setup. You can buy kits for most supercharger cars to convert them to that. Technically you can run it on any setup but works the best on sc cars by cooling the upper inter cooler air charge right before the intake manifold if I understand the system right.

The Freon system is tied into and plumbing is routed to cool the central heat exchanger via a port tap. Works very well.

When you turn on the ac, it cools the cab and the engine.

I’ve always thought manufactures should setup most cars to do this regardless of engine setup because when you run the ac it’s usually very hot outside. It’s common to overheat an engine running accessories in summer. I’m sure they don’t do it to conserve fuel consumption, but as an engineer, I would personally want to engineer a load or demand switch that opened when engine coolant temp crossed 225° or cylinder temp touched xyz°.

Who cares about 1mpg when it’s 100° and your car is running hot? Just put a 20% larger Freon system to account for he expected summer demand when applicable.

You could then put a window switch or digital control for the function in the cabin or have it kick on when the car is in sport or race mode.

But, I’m a plebeian so what do I know.

@Tob whats your thoughts on all this conjecture and bench engineering I’m dreaming up? Should I keep my day job or start a side business with retrofits that can talk to the ecu of most performance cars, or have a small stand alone? Sort of a killer chiller 2.0 now with tech haha

Have those been proven to actually work, and be useful? It was the new unproven "fad" when I was leaving the Lightning game, and everything ive used since was air-air, so i havent followed it.

What about when used with Ethanol? measurable data?
 

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It’s essentially a killer chiller setup. You can buy kits for most supercharger cars to convert them to that. Technically you can run it on any setup but works the best on sc cars by cooling the upper inter cooler air charge right before the intake manifold if I understand the system right.

The Freon system is tied into and plumbing is routed to cool the central heat exchanger via a port tap. Works very well.

When you turn on the ac, it cools the cab and the engine.

I’ve always thought manufactures should setup most cars to do this regardless of engine setup because when you run the ac it’s usually very hot outside. It’s common to overheat an engine running accessories in summer. I’m sure they don’t do it to conserve fuel consumption, but as an engineer, I would personally want to engineer a load or demand switch that opened when engine coolant temp crossed 225° or cylinder temp touched xyz°.

Who cares about 1mpg when it’s 100° and your car is running hot? Just put a 20% larger Freon system to account for he expected summer demand when applicable.

You could then put a window switch or digital control for the function in the cabin or have it kick on when the car is in sport or race mode.

But, I’m a plebeian so what do I know.

@Tob whats your thoughts on all this conjecture and bench engineering I’m dreaming up? Should I keep my day job or start a side business with retrofits that can talk to the ecu of most performance cars, or have a small stand alone? Sort of a killer chiller 2.0 now with tech haha
Excellent info. The system works well on the Redeye. One thing...the system can only cool the SC OR the cabin, not both simultaneously. When you put her in Track mode (which enables the Chiller) the cabin goes warm immediately. (I live in Vegas so it's noticable lol).
 

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Excellent info. The system works well on the Redeye. One thing...the system can only cool the SC OR the cabin, not both simultaneously. When you put her in Track mode (which enables the Chiller) the cabin goes warm immediately. (I live in Vegas so it's noticable lol).
Love the balls on SRT to actually give us the power and drag tech available and doing it OEM direct.
-J
 

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