NSFE Put. The. Knife. Down. Please.

I guess I do not know what proper OP is in this situation but it is weird seeing cops running backwards like that. It also seems like kind of a fail that the cop let him get a hold of him and take control, it could have turned out very badly. Good riddance.

Totally agree Klaus. Any LEO input?
-J

That guy took 7 like a champ and came back for more.

They had to make his head pop in order to put that sick dog down.

Aaaaaaaaahhhmazin.


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Definitely a fail on that one cop to let the perp on him like that. He dropped his guard down for a second and that’s all it took for that fella to take advantage. Should have dropped him sooner.

Surprised he wasn’t harmed.

Good thing his buddy interceded when he did.

Should have been tased the instance they got out of vehicle and he continued to approach them after they ordered him to stop. At that point, if he didn't drop from the taser, they should have filled him full of holes.

They panicked and that's okay. Most cops are never put into a situation like that. It wasn't how it should have gone down, but the use of force was still justified.

This isn't a situation where some depressed guy was sitting on the ground with a knife or just standing there, he began stalking them.

This video is clear cut. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Goddamn ridiculous that they had to back up more than a few feet.

Idiot doesn’t respond after a few warnings, then a line needs made in the sand. Cross that line with the weapon and adios.

Could’ve been a dead officer for no reason.

I think if I was the cop I would have been terminated from my job. But that’s ok. Im not the right man for that job.
****. I drive around in my challenger wearing a MAGA hat in Massachusetts just to rustle jimmies.

Welcome to today's society is why they back peddled a city block. All the cases of fatal officer shootings and the backlash afterwards has to be in these guys minds. Plus, it's hard to kill someone for any Man.
Add the body-cam to that, they didn't want to have to use lethal force. But this guy begged for it.
In a better world, give verbal commands, step back a few feet if they don't respond, anything past that is fair game.
Anyone that disagrees, look how fast the knife wielder got ahold of the officer.
If he'd not had backup at his side, another officer funeral, and another piece of shit we pay for in prison for the next 40 years.

BigPoppa said:

Should have been tased the instance they got out of vehicle and he continued to approach them after they ordered him to stop. At that point, if he didn't drop from the taser, they should have filled him full of holes.

They panicked and that's okay. Most cops are never put into a situation like that. It wasn't how it should have gone down, but the use of force was still justified.

This isn't a situation where some depressed guy was sitting on the ground with a knife or just standing there, he began stalking them.

This video is clear cut. Why would anyone think otherwise?

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I disagree. You don't engage a guy moving towards you with a knife with a taser.

Sinister04L said:

I disagree. You don't engage a guy moving towards you with a knife with a taser.

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Correct. Use of force would dictate if someone is in RANGE to use a knife, which is deadly force, you meet them with it.

Sinister04L said:

I disagree. You don't engage a guy moving towards you with a knife with a taser.

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Why? Serious question

Part of me is glad the knife guy is dead. Part of me wants to know what set the guy off. Part of me wants to know why the officers couldn’t maintain better control of the situation, or at least better protect each other. It seems many mistakes were made on their part - but were those mistakes caused by fear of prosecution for taking down the perp “too soon.” Part of me wonders why the officers were not better equipped. Part of me wonders why backup didn’t arrive sooner.

The only thing I am 100% certain of is I am glad the officers and any bystanders escaped harm.

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Why? Serious question

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Sirraf addressed it above. A person can be lethal with a knife from quite a distance. You meet lethal force with equal force. You saw how quickly that guy was on him when he started to holster his gun. If he still had a knife there would've been 2 dead guys.

The man clearly wanted to die.

It’s one thing when you want to help the community, but it’s another when you’ve exhausted every option before possibly not going home safely.

Clean shoot right there

Sirraf said:

Correct. Use of force would dictate if someone is in RANGE to use a knife, which is deadly force, you meet them with it.

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Rule of thumb with a knife is 21’. Meaning, once they are inside that, they can get you before you can shoot.


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man, they showed a lot of restraint wow. hmmm

He should have been taken down within the first 10 seconds of the video

MG0h3 said:

Rule of thumb with a knife is 21’. Meaning, once they are inside that, they can get you before you can shoot.


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That's if your gun is still in the holster, right? I would think if you have your gun trained on someone already you'd be able to react in time to put a few in them before they cover 21'.

Innerwebs is too crappy to see the video.

Basic items needed to justify deadly force:
Means: knife
Opportunity: proximity
Intent: he was advancing.

I’m just getting those from your comments.

No, you don’t need to wait for him to charge. You can hold your ground and if he’s advancing, that’s on him.

It’s prudent to use some discretion and take a few steps back (if safe) but that’s not a rule/policy/how we’re trained.


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No retreat. No surrender.

MG0h3 said:

Innerwebs is too crappy to see the video.

Basic items needed to justify deadly force:
Means: knife
Opportunity: proximity
Intent: he was advancing.

I’m just getting those from your comments.

No, you don’t need to wait for him to charge. You can hold your ground and if he’s advancing, that’s on him.

It’s prudent to use some discretion and take a few steps back (if safe) but that’s not a rule/policy/how we’re trained.


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The officers did show a lot of restraint, probably more compassion for a suffering individual than anything else. At some point, you do have to draw a line.

It's easy to Monday quarterback someone else's actions, but it does allow you to think about how you would respond in a similar situation.

Taser? I don't think so. You would need to be within the effective range, which puts you within his effective range. Less lethal vs lethal? No thanks.

I don't understand why the officer attempted to holster his weapon as the guy charged him. At that point, even without the knife, after everything that transpired, it was still a deadly force situation.

Personally, I never would have entered the main roadway. That would have been my line.