If the GT500 is $85,000 are you in or out?

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That's insane. I'm sorry, but F that. The funny part is too they won't even ALLOW people to order the car they want...only 25% of people can order the track pack which EVERYONE will want. Who the hell is going to buy a standard $80,000+ compromise Shelby.

I think 75% of them won’t be track packs with the wing and carbon wheels. Call it a hunch
 

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Not in price.

Wait until you see some lap times. This car is unreal. GT4 car territory.
The ZL1 1LE was only about .5 slower than the GT4 clubsport on factory slicks here at home. Track dependent itll still be close-ish, not murder
 

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I think 75% of them won’t be track packs with the wing and carbon wheels. Call it a hunch

Yeah which is dumb. The track pack will be the one to get. The one that will hold value. And Ford will make it hard to get. GT350R all over again. But this issue now is simple...Who the hell wants to drop 80+K on a Stang and feel like they didn't get the one they wanted.
 

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So we have 760hp which is more than a 911 gt2rs ($300k)

So we have carbon fiber wheels (the Koeniggsegg line does too for $1,000,000+)

So we have 16.5” front discs (the Ferrari 488gtb has 16” nicer material ones for $375k)

So we have a 7spd dct with sun 100 millisecond shifts (so does a few cars from $65k but anything over 750hp with a dct is well north of $250k)

We have a warranty on a mid 10 second factory screamer just saying

The stripes at $10k is high but that’s painted stripes. A great paint job now adays from a close family friend is $5k done right but cheap. Ford wants premium money to repaint the top of your car, don’t order it if you don’t want it.
 

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Yeah which is dumb. The track pack will be the one to get. The one that will hold value. And Ford will make it hard to get. GT350R all over again. But this issue now is simple...Who the hell wants to drop 80+K on a Stang and feel like they didn't get the one they wanted.

You just like stirring the pot.

I wouldn't spend $18,500 on the carbon fiber track package.
 

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So we have 760hp which is more than a 911 gt2rs ($300k)

So we have carbon fiber wheels (the Koeniggsegg line does too for $1,000,000+)

So we have 16.5” front discs (the Ferrari 488gtb has 16” nicer material ones for $375k)

So we have a 7spd dct with sun 100 millisecond shifts (so does a few cars from $65k but anything over 750hp with a dct is well north of $250k)

We have a warranty on a mid 10 second factory screamer just saying

The stripes at $10k is high but that’s painted stripes. A great paint job now adays from a close family friend is $5k done right but cheap. Ford wants premium money to repaint the top of your car, don’t order it if you don’t want it.

And the $86,000 Dodge Demon does the 1/4 mile faster than a $2 million dollar Bugatti Veyron. What's your point?

The $10,000 Stripe Option is INSANE my friend. This is still a mustang.
 

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Yeah which is dumb. The track pack will be the one to get. The one that will hold value. And Ford will make it hard to get. GT350R all over again. But this issue now is simple...Who the hell wants to drop 80+K on a Stang and feel like they didn't get the one they wanted.

Honestly if I was 5-10 years richer, I’d be buying a close to base carto switch to single turbo. I personally don’t like the standing wings on any street cars for the most part.

If I had a local close track, I’d entertain the aero pack with carbon wheels, but I’d honestly end up putting anon aero wing and affordable wheels/tires on it to drive in the city.

I get track stuff for being at the track but on the street you can’t use the aero so it only hurts top speed and the tires wear too fast and pot holes destroy the wheels.
 

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You'll be pleasantly surprised. :)
I hope so... But as it stands, the 1LE is on wider comparable tires and is stiffer than Kanedas boner at a gay bar. Either way, the 1LE is already in GT4 territory, thats my only point. DBK had said its not going to be a bloodbath either and I think he has seen the car testing against it.

We shall see
 

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I hope so... But as it stands, the 1LE is on wider comparable tires and is stiffer than Kanedas boner at a gay bar. Either way, the 1LE is already in GT4 territory, thats my only point. DBK had said its not going to be a bloodbath either and I think he has seen the car testing against it.

We shall see
Damn. Tough crowd.
 

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So we have 760hp which is more than a 911 gt2rs ($300k)

So we have carbon fiber wheels (the Koeniggsegg line does too for $1,000,000+)

So we have 16.5” front discs (the Ferrari 488gtb has 16” nicer material ones for $375k)

So we have a 7spd dct with sun 100 millisecond shifts (so does a few cars from $65k but anything over 750hp with a dct is well north of $250k)

We have a warranty on a mid 10 second factory screamer just saying

The stripes at $10k is high but that’s painted stripes. A great paint job now adays from a close family friend is $5k done right but cheap. Ford wants premium money to repaint the top of your car, don’t order it if you don’t want it.

I agree. It’s a high price BUT comes with ridiculous performance.

Well worth the price to those that can afford.
 

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So we have 760hp which is more than a 911 gt2rs ($300k)

So we have carbon fiber wheels (the Koeniggsegg line does too for $1,000,000+)

So we have 16.5” front discs (the Ferrari 488gtb has 16” nicer material ones for $375k)

So we have a 7spd dct with sun 100 millisecond shifts (so does a few cars from $65k but anything over 750hp with a dct is well north of $250k)

We have a warranty on a mid 10 second factory screamer just saying

The stripes at $10k is high but that’s painted stripes. A great paint job now adays from a close family friend is $5k done right but cheap. Ford wants premium money to repaint the top of your car, don’t order it if you don’t want it.

It needs 760hp 'cause she's portly at 4K pounds wet.

The wheels are nice touch but not necessary. There's track based alternatives in the marketplace.

Big huge brakes are nice also, but what's their performance after 30 minutes of track time at 8/9?

You will probably disagree with me, but the DCT doesn't help me on a road coarse. It's nice and all but I'd rather have a regular manual or a sequential. Everything else will get in my way. IMHO.

Warranty??? What's that?
 

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And the $86,000 Dodge Demon does the 1/4 mile faster than a $2 million dollar Bugatti Veyron. What's your point?

The $10,000 Stripe Option is INSANE my friend. This is still a mustang.

The ford is priced lower than a demon so if it’s doing demon times on same the same gas and tires, but can also handle way better as well on that setup, I don’t get why you’d bring it up as a value fighter.

The demon goes 9’s on race gas with an ecu swap and slicks/skinnies. Factory option or not it still all has to be swapped over, then you pull the passenger seat, set the perimeters, find an excellent track with excellent conditions and run it. Chances are actually great it would end up being door to door with a Veyron let alone get beat by the newer Bugatti on that night.

I’m not knocking the demon, I like the car, but a car that can run mid 10’s with a sticky street tire instead of a drag radials is really impressive.

A demon on a pilot sport cup or g2 isn’t running mid 10’s.

Take the stock/modded side out of it for a sec, do you want to have to put all that stuff together on your stock demon to have to hang and beat a stock mustang? How embarrassing would it be if even on slicks and racegas and so on the demon loses because it’s still hard to find traction meanwhile the gt500 with its low torque just sets and gets away.

The demon can run 9.65@140, no one questions it. How often though? Who besides dodge has done it? Who’s even gone sub 10’s? Like 10 people iirc. Considering the 97.5% of demons have yet to run low to mid 10’s all done up and fully track prepped (stock optioned!!!) the gt500 is allegedly pretty much there maybe .2-.5 off but you can leave the drag strip immediately and hit a mountain road on the same setup.

A track preppe: slicks, e85/100+, tune and seats pulled/weight pulled gt500 (modded! Oh no!) should go 9’s easy.
 

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It needs 760hp 'cause she's portly at 4K pounds wet.

The wheels are nice touch but not necessary. There's track based alternatives in the marketplace.

Big huge brakes are nice also, but what's their performance after 30 minutes of track time at 8/9?

You will probably disagree with me, but the DCT doesn't help me on a road coarse. It's nice and all but I'd rather have a regular manual or a sequential. Everything else will get in my way. IMHO.

Warranty??? What's that?

I think the brake calipers are steel to help em last a long time and be cheaper to replace/service.

I prefer manual always. I’m right there with ya.

I’d never buy or want a carbon fiber $18k set of wheels. I agree. I’ll take $1-3k light (enough) wheels vs an upper entry level Hyundai of wheels

I’m in business so I get fords pricing here. I can see the value in everything they are offering, but I just hope the people will buy it that have the means because they have left the base for sure.

That said, the GTR buyers definitely weren’t Sentra seR lease returnee’s so it probably doesn’t matter.

Let’s be honest, an 03 cobra ran 12.8@112 for $33k in 2003. A 2020 gt 10a will run 12.0@120 for $35k. Ford didn’t abandon the hot rodder. A manual 2020 gt 5.0 will run 12.3@117 with a great driver, and I bet someone will eventually get a 12.2@118. The gear spread is good enough for it.

The bull it is great at $42500 for nostalgia. Mach1 was $30k in 2003. 2007 Gt500 was $47500 in 2008. Nostalgia cars are as much about the performance as they are the character and the bullitt is cool, can run low 12’s with a driver.

Gt350/r have already spoken for themselves. $50-75k mega hitters that drive like what wet dreams are made of.

Even a new ecoboost performance thing for 2020 has 350hp and 0-60 in 4.5 seconds with 13.0 1/4.

The gt500 has reached insane level.

A $55k 2013 gt500 had 662hp and ran 11.65@124, a new $35k auto gt 5.0 can run 11.8@121 from the best I’ve seen.

I would love a $60k loaded gt500 but ford has 0 need to cut their throat and do so
 
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The ford is priced lower than a demon so if it’s doing demon times on same the same gas and tires, but can also handle way better as well on that setup, I don’t get why you’d bring it up as a value fighter.

The demon goes 9’s on race gas with an ecu swap and slicks/skinnies. Factory option or not it still all has to be swapped over, then you pull the passenger seat, set the perimeters, find an excellent track with excellent conditions and run it. Chances are actually great it would end up being door to door with a Veyron let alone get beat by the newer Bugatti on that night.

I’m not knocking the demon, I like the car, but a car that can run mid 10’s with a sticky street tire instead of a drag radials is really impressive.

A demon on a pilot sport cup or g2 isn’t running mid 10’s.

Take the stock/modded side out of it for a sec, do you want to have to put all that stuff together on your stock demon to have to hang and beat a stock mustang? How embarrassing would it be if even on slicks and racegas and so on the demon loses because it’s still hard to find traction meanwhile the gt500 with its low torque just sets and gets away.

The demon can run 9.65@140, no one questions it. How often though? Who besides dodge has done it? Who’s even gone sub 10’s? Like 10 people iirc. Considering the 97.5% of demons have yet to run low to mid 10’s all done up and fully track prepped (stock optioned!!!) the gt500 is allegedly pretty much there maybe .2-.5 off but you can leave the drag strip immediately and hit a mountain road on the same setup.

A track preppe: slicks, e85/100+, tune and seats pulled/weight pulled gt500 (modded! Oh no!) should go 9’s easy.

You're now just having a conversation with yourself. I'm not reading all this. Demon is a 9 second car with everything in it. Just accept that.
 

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You're now just having a conversation with yourself. I'm not reading all this. Demon is a 9 second car with everything in it. Just accept that.

Well, ya. You bought one. Why would you read someone pointing out that you bought hype. I wouldn’t
 

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**** the Poors.
Happily put another $5k down on my $80,9xx.xx optioned base model today :)
 

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I’m in business so I get fords pricing here. I can see the value in everything they are offering, but I just hope the people will buy it that have the means because they have left the base for sure.

That said, the GTR buyers definitely weren’t Sentra seR lease returnee’s so it probably doesn’t matter.

Let’s be honest, an 03 cobra ran 12.8@112 for $33k in 2003. A 2020 gt 10a will run 12.0@120 for $35k. Ford didn’t abandon the hot rodder. A manual 2020 gt 5.0 will run 12.3@117 with a great driver, and I bet someone will eventually get a 12.2@118. The gear spread is good enough for it.

The bull it is great at $42500 for nostalgia. Mach1 was $30k in 2003. 2007 Gt500 was $47500 in 2008. Nostalgia cars are as much about the performance as they are the character and the bullitt is cool, can run low 12’s with a driver.

Gt350/r have already spoken for themselves. $50-75k mega hitters that drive like what wet dreams are made of.

Even a new ecoboost performance thing for 2020 has 350hp and 0-60 in 4.5 seconds with 13.0 1/4.

The gt500 has reached insane level.

A $55k 2013 gt500 had 662hp and ran 11.65@124, a new $35k auto gt 5.0 can run 11.8@121 from the best I’ve seen.

I would love a $60k loaded gt500 but ford has 0 need to cut their throat and do so

I agree with your points in the context of the Mustang world only. Mustangs compared to themselves are improving and Ford is doing a fabulous job. Heck, I've looked at a new PP2 and warming it up vs another Shelby. The non-halo Mustangs are doing well.

My opinion of Ford jumping the shark with the GT500 is within the scope of the marketplace. What will be the GT500s value in the marketplace. I'm worried b/c I see it's losing ground (or has lost it starting with the GT350) and I don't want it to. I beat the every loving crap out of my GT500 and I've loved every minute of it. The car kicks arse and I love making Chebby guys upset.

The Crapmaro is kicking the Mustang's butt in value right now. Thankfully, it's loosing in sales so my argument might be moot (b/c buyers don't care that it's better performance).

So Ford will sell a certain amount of GT500s to the blind and that's acceptable?

I am not asking for a free GT500, just inline with the marketplace in price and performance and value. Because at the end of the day, there are choices (but I never chosen anything but a Mustang since 1995).
 

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