**** YOU, GM. Just die.

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GM is in trouble because they keep putting out fugly products and are a day late and dollar short compared to Ford

Excluding final resolution regarding this airbag recall, how again is GM in trouble? BTW, they are crushing Ford right now in pretty much every measurable way. Mary Barra, who everyone loves to hate has undeniably outperformed the last 2 CEO’s at Ford. The numbers speak for themselves.

Record or near record profits these past few years, the top 1 or 2 player in the worlds largest car market, No 1 in the U.S., generally recognized of as one of the leaders in AV development, have left/sold off unprofitable markets. Some goes for closing plants that produce vehicles that nobody buys or doesn’t make them any money. The whole bailout and bankruptcy fiasco was a shameful and despicable time in their history, but it is history, and we all have to move on.

Not trying to defend them at all, but simply pointing out that some of the information being thrown around in this thread is so far from reality. Mary Barra’s pay raise claim was debunked with a 30 second google search yet still was echoed multiple times in this thread. We are starting to sound like a bunch of liberals who just make stuff up to fit their narrative.

Let’s have a discussion/debate based on facts.
 
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Absolutely.

Simply put, I was bored and wanted a laugh. I got it with the subsequent responses :D
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Excluding final resolution regarding this airbag recall, how again is GM in trouble? BTW, they are crushing Ford right now in pretty much every measurable way. Mary Barra, who everyone loves to hate has undeniably outperformed the last 2 CEO’s at Ford. The numbers speak for themselves.

Record or near record profits these past few years, the top 1 or 2 player in the worlds largest car market, No 1 in the U.S., generally recognized of as one of the leaders in AV development, have left/sold off unprofitable markets. Some goes for closing plants that produce vehicles that nobody buys or doesn’t make them any money. The whole bailout and bankruptcy fiasco was a shameful and despicable time in their history, but it is history, and we all have to move on.

Not trying to defend them at all, but simply pointing out that some of the information being thrown around in this thread is so far from reality. Mary Barra’s pay raise claim was debunked with a 30 second google search yet still was echoed multiple times in this thread. We are starting to sound like a bunch of liberals who just make stuff up to fit their narrative.

Let’s have a discussion/debate based on facts.
I’m not sure where Ford fell off but they have. I think they had to many cars that simply copied each other where their customers were taking sales from Fords other product lines and not from competitors.
The focus and fiesta could have been great cars besides that atrocious cheap auto Trans they used. The Taurus was too big and heavy with the same interior space of a fusion one of Mullaly’s very very few mistakes. Then with no plans to replace base cheap cars that could sell a ton of Ford falls flat.

The explorer is nice for $50k large but I don’t think they can sell a 1/4 billion units.
The ranger is a garbage rehashed world pickup for the street. And now even young crowd wants nothing to do with Ford since the cancellation of the Fist and Fost.
The Bronco could be a hit but it’s another niche product that I don’t see selling more than 50k units.

Bottom line they don’t have a leader with vision or foresight for tomorrow’s buyers imo.
 

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I’m not sure where Ford fell off but they have. I think they had to many cars that simply copied each other where their customers were taking sales from Fords other product lines and not from competitors.
The focus and fiesta could have been great cars besides that atrocious cheap auto Trans they used. The Taurus was too big and heavy with the same interior space of a fusion one of Mullaly’s very very few mistakes. Then with no plans to replace base cheap cars that could sell a ton of Ford falls flat.

The explorer is nice for $50k large but I don’t think they can sell a 1/4 billion units.
The ranger is a garbage rehashed world pickup for the street. And now even young crowd wants nothing to do with Ford since the cancellation of the Fist and Fost.
The Bronco could be a hit but it’s another niche product that I don’t see selling more than 50k units.

Bottom line they don’t have a leader with vision or foresight for tomorrow’s buyers imo.

I disagree. The Bronco will end up being a huge seller for Ford and one of the few highlights of their product line outside the F Series, Explorer, and Expedition. Ford ran with a lineup too long that was fresh in 2013, but looks very aged in 2019. They know this and are rolling out products but I feel it is way behind the curve. They should have updated and rolled these products out sooner. The Bronco should have been developed earlier and should have been a 2019/2020 model at the latest to really capitalize on the low fuel prices that are creeping back up.

I do like their commitment to uses of carbon fiber and Aluminum and expand it and create new processes like they did with Alcoa in cutting down Aluminum production to a quarter of the time it usually took.

Ford just really needs some true leadership right now. These half assed CEOs they put in charge and the guys that get in under them to lead the divisions end up doing far more damage that takes years to unravel vs if they had just turned it over to another talented and proven CEO after Alan Mulally moved on. I have no idea how that process works but is it really that hard to find and hire a CEO that has a proven track record of success? I know you have a lot of criteria to consider that they have to meet but I feel like they could find someone of a higher profile than Hackett at the moment.
 

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Excluding final resolution regarding this airbag recall, how again is GM in trouble? BTW, they are crushing Ford right now in pretty much every measurable way. Mary Barra, who everyone loves to hate has undeniably outperformed the last 2 CEO’s at Ford. The numbers speak for themselves.

Record or near record profits these past few years, the top 1 or 2 player in the worlds largest car market, No 1 in the U.S., generally recognized of as one of the leaders in AV development, have left/sold off unprofitable markets. Some goes for closing plants that produce vehicles that nobody buys or doesn’t make them any money. The whole bailout and bankruptcy fiasco was a shameful and despicable time in their history, but it is history, and we all have to move on.

Not trying to defend them at all, but simply pointing out that some of the information being thrown around in this thread is so far from reality. Mary Barra’s pay raise claim was debunked with a 30 second google search yet still was echoed multiple times in this thread. We are starting to sound like a bunch of liberals who just make stuff up to fit their narrative.

Let’s have a discussion/debate based on facts.


Low sells on the Silverado and being passed by Ram for the #2 spot. The 6.6
engine will be stomped by Godzilla. Thats about it.
 

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Low sells on the Silverado and being passed by Ram for the #2 spot. The 6.6
engine will be stomped by Godzilla. Thats about it.

Is that all you got? Are seriously arguing that Godzilla will somehow break GM lol! I give up, you win.

Ram is throwing GOBS of cash on the hoods of their truck to move them. You are correct, they are stealing share, but that strategy can be dangerous if not managed with discipline. You can quickly find yourself unable to move volume unless you offer huge discounts and rebates. This very tactic actually got the big 3 in trouble during the 90's and early 2000's when they were chasing volume at all cost.
 

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Excluding final resolution regarding this airbag recall, how again is GM in trouble? BTW, they are crushing Ford right now in pretty much every measurable way. Mary Barra, who everyone loves to hate has undeniably outperformed the last 2 CEO’s at Ford. The numbers speak for themselves.

Record or near record profits these past few years, the top 1 or 2 player in the worlds largest car market, No 1 in the U.S., generally recognized of as one of the leaders in AV development, have left/sold off unprofitable markets. Some goes for closing plants that produce vehicles that nobody buys or doesn’t make them any money. The whole bailout and bankruptcy fiasco was a shameful and despicable time in their history, but it is history, and we all have to move on.

Not trying to defend them at all, but simply pointing out that some of the information being thrown around in this thread is so far from reality. Mary Barra’s pay raise claim was debunked with a 30 second google search yet still was echoed multiple times in this thread. We are starting to sound like a bunch of liberals who just make stuff up to fit their narrative.

Let’s have a discussion/debate based on facts.

A discussion based on facts? OK, how's this for facts: GM has now twice demonstrated that they're a morally bankrupt company. First with the ignition recall, and now this.
 

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A discussion based on facts? OK, how's this for facts: GM has now twice demonstrated that they're a morally bankrupt company. First with the ignition recall, and now this.

Jesus people...trust but verify before feeding into all this hyperbole.

More facts for everyone:

GM has already recalled AND repaired 991,343 of the 1.4 million vehicles recalled so far. They are requesting an exemption on certain vehicles that it says use a different inflator design and should not be included. All data to this point has backed up their claim. The NHTSA has so far played along. They could have easily ordered the full recall if they felt justified in doing so. Who knows, maybe they ultimately will. As usual, the media has done a brilliant job in crafting the message it wants everyone to hear.

GM seeks to avoid Takata recalls for fourth straight year

So they've already repaired some of the affected vehicles, but are requesting that certain models be omitted, and have data to support their argument. In a rational manner, explain why this makes them morally bankrupt? Is this the same type of moral bankruptcy that kept Ford from self reporting (they had all the data that showed there was an issue) that their Explorer's were flipping over due to a tire/suspension flaw? Or was that different?
 
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Jesus people...trust but verify before feeding into all this hyperbole.

More facts for everyone:

GM has already recalled AND repaired 991,343 of the 1.4 million vehicles recalled so far. They are requesting an exemption on certain vehicles that it says use a different inflator design and should not be included. All data to this point has backed up their claim. The NHTSA has so far played along. They could have easily ordered the full recall if they felt justified in doing so. Who knows, maybe they ultimately will. As usual, the media has done a brilliant job in crafting the message it wants everyone to hear.

GM seeks to avoid Takata recalls for fourth straight year

So they've already repaired some of the affected vehicles, but are requesting that certain models be omitted, and have data to support their argument. In a rational manner, explain why this makes them morally bankrupt? Is this the same type of moral bankruptcy that kept Ford from self reporting (they had all the data that showed there was an issue) that their Explorer's were flipping over due to a tire/suspension flaw? Or was that different?

GTFO with facts and logic! Us ladies are fueled by emotion ONLY!

“Die GM, DIE!!! Why won’t you!!!! I hate you!!!!!!”
 

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Is that all you got? Are seriously arguing that Godzilla will somehow break GM lol! I give up, you win.

Ram is throwing GOBS of cash on the hoods of their truck to move them. You are correct, they are stealing share, but that strategy can be dangerous if not managed with discipline. You can quickly find yourself unable to move volume unless you offer huge discounts and rebates. This very tactic actually got the big 3 in trouble during the 90's and early 2000's when they were chasing volume at all cost.

Sarcasm filter failed on my part. Lol
 

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After the new F150 oil eating debacle, the wife and I are pretty much done with American Manufacturers.

It might not be as good looking/powerful/economical, but I wish I would've bought a new Tundra like I had started to. Love the truck but I am not confident in my 2018 F150 5.0 making it 200k miles.

GM/Chevy support from me/us died a long time ago. The lack of car people in all of these brands is really apparent these days.
 

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After the new F150 oil eating debacle, the wife and I are pretty much done with American Manufacturers.

It might not be as good looking/powerful/economical, but I wish I would've bought a new Tundra like I had started to. Love the truck but I am not confident in my 2018 F150 5.0 making it 200k miles.

GM/Chevy support from me/us died a long time ago. The lack of car people in all of these brands is really apparent these days.

I promise you Toyota is not perfect either. ALL manufacturers have their issues.

I’d put my money on the longevity of a 5.0 150 over a tundra any day.
 

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With all due respect. Toyota has multiple million mile tundras and ford has yet to meet that



Me too

No worries, man.

I remember reading about the million mile tundra. I have not read or heard of any extraordinary issues with the 5.0 equipped 150 that would prevent it from getting there (with proper maintenance and no abuse).

Perhaps 5.0 f150s have not been around long enough for that yet? Or Perhaps there is something I am missing...?
 

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