6r80 with us shift controller burning up trans?

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Has anyone that’s done the swap had or heard about this problem? My local shop that deals with Lund won’t touch my car. They want me to buy the ford controller pack and change to a gt500 tb. I’d rather just get what I have tuned and whatever happens to the trans happens.
 

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Has anyone that’s done the swap had or heard about this problem? My local shop that deals with Lund won’t touch my car. They want me to buy the ford controller pack and change to a gt500 tb. I’d rather just get what I have tuned and whatever happens to the trans happens.

Either find a new tuner or go with what the tuners prefer to work with. I havent heard or controllers burning up trans. If anything thing it would come down to the tuning parameters of the controller that could cause issues to the trans.
 

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Doing a lot of research and your the first to have this issue. I know some guy's had problems early on. But that was there fault. As they didn't go through the set up correctly. Just plugged it in and started beating on it.
 

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I talked to my tuner and he looked at the software tuning program and told me it shouldn't be an issue to tune. I would try another tuner.

Did your controller come with a base tune/set up?. Cause mine did/does.
 

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That your shop would tell you burn your current investment and buy their shit is pretty sad. Not a good relationship in my book.
 

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Car won’t drive as well without the right pieces. They probably know that and don’t feel like dealing with a long term hassle project.

Everybody is quick to bash a shop, and expect perfect results regards of what you give them to work with.

My builder said when I go 6r80 to get the ford controller and he’d find a way to get it talking to a Holley stand alone we’re already planning to put in.

His explanation was that non ford controllers (and even early ford controllers) didn’t drive right because the 6r80 can legitimately skip gears instead of pass through each gear.

Long story short, the part load drivability is awful with the budget controllers.

If you are manual valve body then I guess it doesn’t matter anyways.

I’m summarizing a 15 minute conversation.

Load creates heat and high heat will destroy automatics. If the soft wear or hardware isn’t letting the trans smoothly engage the proper gear for given load, it will bind up with pressure constantly in the guts. This would be happening in 75% or a given city drive. That pressure maintains and builds on to the heat.
 

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Car won’t drive as well without the right pieces. They probably know that and don’t feel like dealing with a long term hassle project.

Everybody is quick to bash a shop, and expect perfect results regards of what you give them to work with.

My builder said when I go 6r80 to get the ford controller and he’d find a way to get it talking to a Holley stand alone we’re already planning to put in.

His explanation was that non ford controllers (and even early ford controllers) didn’t drive right because the 6r80 can legitimately skip gears instead of pass through each gear.

Long story short, the part load drivability is awful with the budget controllers.

If you are manual valve body then I guess it doesn’t matter anyways.

I’m summarizing a 15 minute conversation.

Load creates heat and high heat will destroy automatics. If the soft wear or hardware isn’t letting the trans smoothly engage the proper gear for given load, it will bind up with pressure constantly in the guts. This would be happening in 75% or a given city drive. That pressure maintains and builds on to the heat.

Well explained
 

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Damnit, the dude on here with the black TT Saleen that runs with the fast lane guys, maybe check with him/them? He just did a 6r80 with that controller
 

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Car won’t drive as well without the right pieces. They probably know that and don’t feel like dealing with a long term hassle project.

Everybody is quick to bash a shop, and expect perfect results regards of what you give them to work with.

My builder said when I go 6r80 to get the ford controller and he’d find a way to get it talking to a Holley stand alone we’re already planning to put in.

His explanation was that non ford controllers (and even early ford controllers) didn’t drive right because the 6r80 can legitimately skip gears instead of pass through each gear.

Long story short, the part load drivability is awful with the budget controllers.

If you are manual valve body then I guess it doesn’t matter anyways.

I’m summarizing a 15 minute conversation.

Load creates heat and high heat will destroy automatics. If the soft wear or hardware isn’t letting the trans smoothly engage the proper gear for given load, it will bind up with pressure constantly in the guts. This would be happening in 75% or a given city drive. That pressure maintains and builds on to the heat.

In other words, your shop has never installed a Baumann controller. The Baumann controller is not a "budget" controller. It is the controller guys waited forever for because it was engineered to work. Many guys out in the world running this controller.
 

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Doing a lot of research and your the first to have this issue. I know some guy's had problems early on. But that was there fault. As they didn't go through the set up correctly. Just plugged it in and started beating on it.
This never happened to me. The shop I called about tuning mine said them and Lund had nothing but problems with that controller. As far as setup I did everything us shift instructed to do.

I talked to my tuner and he looked at the software tuning program and told me it shouldn't be an issue to tune. I would try another tuner.

Did your controller come with a base tune/set up?. Cause mine did/does.
Yes
 

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So what are you tiring to do? tune wise.. My plan was after self learn driving was to keep all the shift points as is. And to race in Manual mode.
Mainly I need the converter parameters setup. The shift points I messed with but they can be looked at too. I can turn wrenches but not very computer/tuning savvy.
 

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I feel yeah. I come from the oregon trail green screen computer days.
I have rewired a handful of 60/70's motorcycles and more recent a holley hp. So I have a little more understanding then I have had. That being said I am having someone who is very comfortable reading and tweaking tunes. check out my stuff. Once it's on the road.
 

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In other words, your shop has never installed a Baumann controller. The Baumann controller is not a "budget" controller. It is the controller guys waited forever for because it was engineered to work. Many guys out in the world running this controller.

They chuckled innocently when I showed them your post but then politely corrected face and said they wish you good luck on your projects but they’ll do what has worked for them.

For a STREET CAR 6r80 swap, it’s hard to get the drivability nailed down. Drag racing is cake walk to get the “drivability” from with a 6r80 swap and the bauman or other controllers. It’s light duty putting around town that is tricky.

You aren’t wrong, but I and my shop are talking streetbuilds. Race build is easy.

For a cheaper route, the shop I like can use a gt500 ecu with some leg stretching
 

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They chuckled innocently when I showed them your post but then politely corrected face and said they wish you good luck on your projects but they’ll do what has worked for them.

For a STREET CAR 6r80 swap, it’s hard to get the drivability nailed down. Drag racing is cake walk to get the “drivability” from with a 6r80 swap and the bauman or other controllers. It’s light duty putting around town that is tricky.

You aren’t wrong, but I and my shop are talking streetbuilds. Race build is easy.

For a cheaper route, the shop I like can use a gt500 ecu with some leg stretching

There are many many guys using this on the street. Baumann knows his stuff. I would suggest talking to Baumann about how their controller works, not a shop that is invested in their stuff.
 

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There are many many guys using this on the street. Baumann knows his stuff. I would suggest talking to Baumann about how their controller works, not a shop that is invested in their stuff.

Ive seen and read up on his stuff and it is good. Still isn’t doing what the ford controller is though. He’s well on his way and gettin better every month though.

Shops have to warranty and stand by and support stuff. I’m constantly fixing and addressing bad do it yourself jobs at my work. Some people are better than others at diy.

Baumann will probably have it sorted and dialed in by mid summer is my guess. Getting close
 

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Just saw this. I have had zero issues with my US Shift Quick 6 controller on my 6R80 swap. Basically a plug and play. On the street it is working fine and my transbrake feature is nice.
It is still in a learning mode, so I have been putting some miles on it, but overall it shifts fine and zero faults.
It blows the tires off!

Ryan
 

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