The C8 Corvette Delayed, Keeps Bending Its Frame, Report Claims

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It was an unmolested, low mileage car. It happened to the person I sold it to soon after they bought it. Maybe a detail is missing but the glass installer said it wasn't the first one that came in for it. My next 03 Cobra convertible cracked the front windshield when I jacked the rear corner of the car up. Split from pass lower corner up on an angle.
Now you're making me really want good subframe connectors.

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Let's be honest with ourselves....now is the time to discover these issues, before the car reaches the public. I'm sure they are running 1000 hp motors to do accelerated wear and tear testing
Of course now is the time to discover these issues. That's why they're in the testing stage. o_O You have no way of knowing exactly why they're running 1000hp motors, so let's take the word "sure" out of the equation. Regardless, GM's goal is for a "later this year" release, they're only got 7-8 months to work out the chassis issue and other issues. That is not a lot of time.

To @IamRacerX's point, I totally agree. No way would I buy a first year C8. Too risky as far as bugs that I wouldn't want to deal with.
 

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Now you're making me really want good subframe connectors.

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You didn't want them before? The difference is MASSIVE. I didn't put them on my 88 GT. A few years later when I got my second GT, I had some installed, and instantly wanted to kick my earlier self in the nuts for not doing it on the first one. When I finally got my '03 Cobra, they were literally the first thing I had installed.
 

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First year vetted are expensive anyways. The vette crowd is the older 50s+ crowd. I remember when the c7 stingray came out. People were paying around 70k plus for a car that is now 55k new.
 

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You didn't want them before? The difference is MASSIVE. I didn't put them on my 88 GT. A few years later when I got my second GT, I had some installed, and instantly wanted to kick my earlier self in the nuts for not doing it on the first one. When I finally got my '03 Cobra, they were literally the first thing I had installed.
Probably one of the best things about the S197 and S550. Seriously strong subframes.
 

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GM sucks at developing something? shocker.

The engineers on this program probably piss out more car knowledge every morning when they get up, than this entire site will ever know. All we do is bitch and complain about the things that pretty much all of us would give our left nuts to actually do.

If you aren’t breaking stuff, you aren’t trying hard enough. This is a normal part of the process.
 
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The engineers on this program probably piss out more car knowledge every morning when they get up, than this entire site will ever know. All we do is bitch and complain about the things that pretty much all of us would give our left nuts to actually do.

If you aren’t breaking stuff, you aren’t trying hard enough. This is a normal part of the process.
As an engineer....

I'll impart what I've learned after 23 years in my trade.

Fresh out of school engineers don't know their ass from a hole in the wall.

After years of learning their trade, they finally become proficient in their field and end up becoming project managers where that knowledge is pretty much wasted.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You ever wonder how things we've been making for years keep getting design screwups? Yep. The fresh engineer worked on it. Or....even better (my personal favorite)....let's have the interns design this widget!

No, these cars are not designed by people with as much knowledge about the subject as you would believe.

Even better, most of the parts are designed by outside firms and makers like GM just integrate those parts (Moog, Siemens, Bosch....)

For example, the LAN issue. Machine makers have been using this concept for communication between modules for the last 20 years. Ask any engineer who has worked on a PLC or DCS in the last 2 decades. But, not many car designers have a clue that technology is out there. Because they don't develop that technology, the third party firms do......see my comment about integrating parts.
 
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As an engineer....

I'll impart what I've learned after 23 years in my trade.

Fresh out of school engineers don't know their ass from a hole in the wall.

After years of learning their trade, they finally become proficient in their field and end up becoming project managers where that knowledge is pretty much wasted.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You ever wonder how things we've been making for years keep getting design screwups? Yep. The fresh engineer worked on it. Or....even better (my personal favorite)....let's have the interns design this widget!

No, these cars are not designed by people with as much knowledge about the subject as you would believe.

Even better, most of the parts are designed by outside firms and makers like GM just integrate those parts (Moog, Siemens, Bosch....)

For example, the LAN issue. Machine makers have been using this concept for communication between modules for the last 20 years. Ask any engineer who has worked on a PLC or DCS in the last 2 decades. But, not many car designers have a clue that technology is out there. Because they don't develop that technology, the third party firms do......see my comment about integrating parts.
With that logic we'd still be driving cars from the 40's and flying biplanes
 

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With that logic we'd still be driving cars from the 40's and flying biplanes
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You do.

Most of the modern automotive tech is derived from 40's tech like the floating axle in my Suburban or 2013 Mustang. Pretty sure the A10 Warthog uses fabric wings....like a biplane.....

Disc brakes, windshield wipers, every transmission and reciprocating engine available.

Just not sure the point you were trying to make.
 

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This happens to all car makes. It's just more wildly publicized on a high profile car. I think its likely BS. If the C8 shares any history with the C7, then the C8R and street car will likely share the same chassis and I don't see them getting it wrong at this point in the game.
 

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As an engineer....

I'll impart what I've learned after 23 years in my trade.

Fresh out of school engineers don't know their ass from a hole in the wall.

After years of learning their trade, they finally become proficient in their field and end up becoming project managers where that knowledge is pretty much wasted.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You ever wonder how things we've been making for years keep getting design screwups? Yep. The fresh engineer worked on it. Or....even better (my personal favorite)....let's have the interns design this widget!

No, these cars are not designed by people with as much knowledge about the subject as you would believe.

Even better, most of the parts are designed by outside firms and makers like GM just integrate those parts (Moog, Siemens, Bosch....)

For example, the LAN issue. Machine makers have been using this concept for communication between modules for the last 20 years. Ask any engineer who has worked on a PLC or DCS in the last 2 decades. But, not many car designers have a clue that technology is out there. Because they don't develop that technology, the third party firms do......see my comment about integrating parts.

To insinuate that most of the folks on this development program, or any for that matter are not very good at what they do, and experts in their respective fields is grossly untrue. Are there junior engineers on these projects, that lack critical experience, absolutely. That’s part of building talent. Are they NASA level engineers out at JPL, probably not for the most part.

Give them some credit.
 

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