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Yeah, it can be disheartening seeing some 7 year old Bangladeshi girl flawlessly playing Eric Johnson's Cliffs of Dover on a $35 guitar and a $15 amp. Just goes to show ya that the talent is in the fingers, not the instrument! I think I'm gonna go sell all my stuff NOW... Lol!!!
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Bingo. Plus, more "tone" is generated by the fretting and picking method than anything else. I remember the exact moment I realized this- 8 years ago, I bought a Pod UX2 interface and got into the world of VSTs. Aside from the obvious effect that EQ has, I noticed that I was able to make almost every amp model sound about the same by playing the same. It was disappointing- I had the notion that simply changing amp style made the music sound like specific artists. To really get a specific guitarist's "voice," you have to physically play like them, not just hit the notes or have the same amp. That doesn't happen by buying an expensive guitar or amp.

One of my warmup exercises is the 1st solo in Crystal Planet by... Joe Satriani. I helps me "calibrate" bends and loosen my fingers up. When I first played it and hit all the notes, I noticed it sounded nothing like Satch. It took a while to work out the little nuances, and I still don't have it perfect.

Another good example is one of my favorites- Devin Townsend. I was watching a video tutorial he had where he explained how he controlled the sound through pick attack and angle (nothing new, but he explained it really well). I hadn't thought of it before- sometimes it was just a natural, subconscious technique. He also explained how he has the drum hits strike a few ms premature to accentuate the guitar "chunkiness."
 

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CV355... more proof that you don't need good stuff to be a GREAT player. I'm sure you've saw this.
 

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I briefly played a little bit of bass guitar back around 94-96, but have recently decided to get back into playing but with some 6-string this time around. I was going to just go pick up a $100 Chinese Strat to learn on, but my wife went and got me a damn Chris Robertson PRS SE for Christmas. It's one of the Korean made units, but it seem to be a great guitar. I love the Soapbar/Humbucker combo and the rosewood fretboard. This thing is definitely light years above my skill level... I feel like i don't deserve it. Like you guys have said, YouTube has been a great tool that wasn't around back in my bass playing days in the mid 90's.
 

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Bingo. Plus, more "tone" is generated by the fretting and picking method than anything else. I remember the exact moment I realized this- 8 years ago, I bought a Pod UX2 interface and got into the world of VSTs. Aside from the obvious effect that EQ has, I noticed that I was able to make almost every amp model sound about the same by playing the same. It was disappointing- I had the notion that simply changing amp style made the music sound like specific artists. To really get a specific guitarist's "voice," you have to physically play like them, not just hit the notes or have the same amp. That doesn't happen by buying an expensive guitar or amp.

One of my warmup exercises is the 1st solo in Crystal Planet by... Joe Satriani. I helps me "calibrate" bends and loosen my fingers up. When I first played it and hit all the notes, I noticed it sounded nothing like Satch. It took a while to work out the little nuances, and I still don't have it perfect.

Another good example is one of my favorites- Devin Townsend. I was watching a video tutorial he had where he explained how he controlled the sound through pick attack and angle (nothing new, but he explained it really well). I hadn't thought of it before- sometimes it was just a natural, subconscious technique. He also explained how he has the drum hits strike a few ms premature to accentuate the guitar "chunkiness."
Try to emulate my tone and playing style. Due to my love of blues, I have a percussive tone that has become a habit.

You've heard me play though.

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As far as amps go: hand-made all tube amps have practically become a cottage industry.

Says (just one of) the guys who makes them. All tube, all analog, all the time. Not cheap, though. Me, and about 10 thousand others.
Its totally worth it. Gotta pay to play for sure, but serious musicians will seek out quality gear. Do you have a link to your work?

I briefly played a little bit of bass guitar back around 94-96, but have recently decided to get back into playing but with some 6-string this time around. I was going to just go pick up a $100 Chinese Strat to learn on, but my wife went and got me a damn Chris Robertson PRS SE for Christmas. It's one of the Korean made units, but it seem to be a great guitar. I love the Soapbar/Humbucker combo and the rosewood fretboard. This thing is definitely light years above my skill level... I feel like i don't deserve it. Like you guys have said, YouTube has been a great tool that wasn't around back in my bass playing days in the mid 90's.

Your wife DEFINTELY loves you, PRS guitars are nice! Id say Korean and Japanese made guitars are on the same level as US made guitars in many instances.

Im reaaalllyyy thinking about picking up an Ibanez 7 string
 

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Try to emulate my tone and playing style. Due to my love of blues, I have a percussive tone that has become a habit.

You've heard me play though.

You have a very "loose" and percussive playing style- relaxed, in the moment, captures the emotion. "Loose" in this context is actually a compliment. I'm the polar opposite, and I find my playing to be too "tight" because I wanted to go full-bore technical for years. Tight is great for technical accuracy, shredding, etc, but it doesn't convey the same feeling as a "vocal-like" solo that looser, more relaxed playing can. When I play, I'm thinking 1 bar ahead of where I'm actually playing- great for endless technical improv, but terrible for playing through an actual song.


Your wife DEFINTELY loves you, PRS guitars are nice! Id say Korean and Japanese made guitars are on the same level as US made guitars in many instances.

Im reaaalllyyy thinking about picking up an Ibanez 7 string

I love my PRS Custom 24. I have thousands of hours on that thing and it still looks 10/10 pristine.

Do you already play a 7 string? If not, I strongly recommend you try a few first. I know this will contradict myself from earlier, but trust me. If you do go with Ibanez, get the Prestige and pay attention to scale length in regards to the playing style you have. I have a 25.5 and a 27 scale 7-string. Totally different feels between the two. If you plan on playing in Standard E (B on a 7), maybe Drop D or D Standard, stick with 25.5. If you want to play lower tunings, go for the longer length. Totally up to preference, but BEADGBE just feels weird on the 7 string to me. Drop C or Open C on the 27" is beautiful.
 
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Im reaaalllyyy thinking about picking up an Ibanez 7 string
I have one of those too. It's an Ibanez, of course. lol
I forget the model number since I haven't played it in years. I can post pics some time. The Gibson is in the closet. I'm not digging that one out. lol
 

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You have a very "loose" and percussive playing style- relaxed, in the moment, captures the emotion. "Loose" in this context is actually a compliment. I'm the polar opposite, and I find my playing to be too "tight" because I wanted to go full-bore technical for years. Tight is great for technical accuracy, shredding, etc, but it doesn't convey the same feeling as a "vocal-like" solo that looser, more relaxed playing can. When I play, I'm thinking 1 bar ahead of where I'm actually playing- great for endless technical improv, but terrible for playing through an actual song.




I love my PRS Custom 24. I have thousands of hours on that thing and it still looks 10/10 pristine.

Do you already play a 7 string? If not, I strongly recommend you try a few first. I know this will contradict myself from earlier, but trust me. If you do go with Ibanez, get the Prestige and pay attention to scale length in regards to the playing style you have. I have a 25.5 and a 27 scale 7-string. Totally different feels between the two. If you plan on playing in Standard E (B on a 7), maybe Drop D or D Standard, stick with 25.5. If you want to play lower tunings, go for the longer length. Totally up to preference, but BEADGBE just feels weird on the 7 string to me. Drop C or Open C on the 27" is beautiful.
Ive not played a 7 string. i did keep a 6 string BC Rich Bronze Warlock in B for some Pantera tunings. Im VERY intrigued by how the 7 will feel. I think Im going to make a run to Sam Ash this weekend and see what they have.

@tones_RS3 def post pics! I love guitar porn as much as I love car, gun and nekkid woman porn. :D :D :D
 

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I had a Mexican Strat. Bought it on a whim with an amp and immediately got frustrated. Playing guitar takes practice and passion and I didn't have either at the time. Sold them not long after. I may give it another try, though....
20 years ago I had an American Standard Strat, and Mexican made "Fat Strat" with hot pickups. There was a very visible difference in fit and finish, but that Mexican Strat wailed.
 

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Same. One of my dogs ran head first into my Martin one time and I about had an aneurysm. Thankfully the little 4-legged cannonball is only 10lbs. Still...



I used to have a boutique amp stack before I got married. Sold it to pay for an abbreviated honeymoon. I miss that thing sometimes. :/

Trust me: for home practice and recording, any kid who can solder can build you a Fender Champ clone with a better speaker. Five Watts of Class-A tone that'll put you right in the middle of the music. I know, they're the most popular thing I build. I also make most of Fender's other models, from the Bassman to the Princeton Reverb. The Bassman will knock the house down with glorious sound, the Princeton will give you reverb and tremolo with glorious sound, and the little old Champ will just give you glorious tone all day, all night. Play them side by side, and five times out of six, guys are going for the Champ clone!
 

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Its totally worth it. Gotta pay to play for sure, but serious musicians will seek out quality gear. Do you have a link to your work?



Your wife DEFINTELY loves you, PRS guitars are nice! Id say Korean and Japanese made guitars are on the same level as US made guitars in many instances.

Im reaaalllyyy thinking about picking up an Ibanez 7 string
I'm on Facebook, search for "The Ill AdVised Physics Amplification Co., Inc." Lots of build pics. No sound clips though. I can't play very well at all, anymore, and I haven't found someone yet to do some clips for me. Working on it, though.
 

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20 years ago I had an American Standard Strat, and Mexican made "Fat Strat" with hot pickups. There was a very visible difference in fit and finish, but that Mexican Strat wailed.
I love the Mexican Strats and Teles. There is something they are doing, some mojo they put in them, in the Mexican shops. Don't know what it is, but I hear it.
 

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Ive not played a 7 string. i did keep a 6 string BC Rich Bronze Warlock in B for some Pantera tunings. Im VERY intrigued by how the 7 will feel. I think Im going to make a run to Sam Ash this weekend and see what they have.

It takes a little getting used to, but you can eventually switch between 6 and 7 without even thinking about it. Hard to find 7 strings in stores though for some reason.
 

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You have a very "loose" and percussive playing style- relaxed, in the moment, captures the emotion. "Loose" in this context is actually a compliment. I'm the polar opposite, and I find my playing to be too "tight" because I wanted to go full-bore technical for years. Tight is great for technical accuracy, shredding, etc, but it doesn't convey the same feeling as a "vocal-like" solo that looser, more relaxed playing can. When I play, I'm thinking 1 bar ahead of where I'm actually playing- great for endless technical improv, but terrible for playing through an actual song.




I love my PRS Custom 24. I have thousands of hours on that thing and it still looks 10/10 pristine.

Do you already play a 7 string? If not, I strongly recommend you try a few first. I know this will contradict myself from earlier, but trust me. If you do go with Ibanez, get the Prestige and pay attention to scale length in regards to the playing style you have. I have a 25.5 and a 27 scale 7-string. Totally different feels between the two. If you plan on playing in Standard E (B on a 7), maybe Drop D or D Standard, stick with 25.5. If you want to play lower tunings, go for the longer length. Totally up to preference, but BEADGBE just feels weird on the 7 string to me. Drop C or Open C on the 27" is beautiful.
I don't think in bars or notes when I play. I like to feel the music and let the guitar sing. I use a lot of bends and string muting to get the sound I like.

I play bass the same way.

We should have a speed contest for bass shredding. No picks.

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Trust me: for home practice and recording, any kid who can solder can build you a Fender Champ clone with a better speaker. Five Watts of Class-A tone that'll put you right in the middle of the music. I know, they're the most popular thing I build. I also make most of Fender's other models, from the Bassman to the Princeton Reverb. The Bassman will knock the house down with glorious sound, the Princeton will give you reverb and tremolo with glorious sound, and the little old Champ will just give you glorious tone all day, all night. Play them side by side, and five times out of six, guys are going for the Champ clone!
I need a Twin Reverb.

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I'm on Facebook, search for "The Ill AdVised Physics Amplification Co., Inc." Lots of build pics. No sound clips though. I can't play very well at all, anymore, and I haven't found someone yet to do some clips for me. Working on it, though.
I will gladly track all of the sound clips you want. I can mic the front, back, and even get a room mic.

:)

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I don't think in bars or notes when I play. I like to feel the music and let the guitar sing. I use a lot of bends and string muting to get the sound I like.

I play bass the same way.

We should have a speed contest for bass shredding. No picks.

Speed contest, bass, no picks? Hmm, I'll give you the win right now haha

If we're talking on guitar, no picks, I have a recording from 2011 where I was doing multi-string double tapping, topping out with 1/96th notes (1/32 triplets). Tapping is sort of cheating though, like full legato runs.
 

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I love my American strat in sonic grey!
Also ordered a G&L which is American made (Leo Fender) which is amazing!
American made all the way!
 

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Speed contest, bass, no picks? Hmm, I'll give you the win right now haha

If we're talking on guitar, no picks, I have a recording from 2011 where I was doing multi-string double tapping, topping out with 1/96th notes (1/32 triplets). Tapping is sort of cheating though, like full legato runs.
I know my shortcomings. You have me beat on the technical aspects of guitar all day long.

I have been relearning a few Billy Sheehan techniques. I rarely do any tapping, but you've seen me play bass. I MIGHT be able to keep up with you on guitar, MIGHT.

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I know my shortcomings. You have me beat on the technical aspects of guitar all day long.

I have been relearning a few Billy Sheehan techniques. I rarely do any tapping, but you've seen me play bass. I MIGHT be able to keep up with you on guitar, MIGHT.

All of the "technical abilities" are like spices. Rely too heavily on one, and the food tastes like crap. Mix them all together and the food tastes like crap. Gotta be balanced with it.

My favorite "virtuosos" have that balance, where they can transition from addictive melodic structures to mind-blowing speed, and back to smooth melodic playing. It's easier on the ears than 4 minutes of solid shredding.
 

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