Help me with Challenger, N.A guys are funny

Corbic said:

This is where I have to get upset with FCA. While they continue to put out some cool products and cater to their chosen audience, it feels hollow in many ways. A Demon is amazing, but $90k, a Redeye is cool and all, the Hellephant seems unreal.. and I've yet to see it listed for sale.... but... cars like the T/A, 1320 Spec, R/T and SCAT Pack all fall short. They fall short because while Ford and GM continue to beef up the internals of their engines, FCA has done NOTHING.

A Hemi 5.7, which is a damn good amount of displacement has a cast crank and guts made from harden wood chips. The 6.4 is impressive in stock form, but is basically maxed out. It's piston ring lands are to weak to realistically be boosted.

Then you have price, a nicely equipped SCAT Pak is in the 50's... and thats riding a 20 year old 4,000lb chassis, with an engine that is maxed out short of 500hp.

So yeah, really, anything short of a Hellcat, they are only good for a cruiser or commuter, and even though that's 90% of what I do, just knowing that, is very frustrating.

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Corbic said:

This is where I have to get upset with FCA. While they continue to put out some cool products and cater to their chosen audience, it feels hollow in many ways. A Demon is amazing, but $90k, a Redeye is cool and all, the Hellephant seems unreal.. and I've yet to see it listed for sale.... but... cars like the T/A, 1320 Spec, R/T and SCAT Pack all fall short. They fall short because while Ford and GM continue to beef up the internals of their engines, FCA has done NOTHING.

A Hemi 5.7, which is a damn good amount of displacement has a cast crank and guts made from harden wood chips. The 6.4 is impressive in stock form, but is basically maxed out. It's piston ring lands are to weak to realistically be boosted.

Then you have price, a nicely equipped SCAT Pak is in the 50's... and thats riding a 20 year old 4,000lb chassis, with an engine that is maxed out short of 500hp.

So yeah, really, anything short of a Hellcat, they are only good for a cruiser or commuter, and even though that's 90% of what I do, just knowing that, is very frustrating.

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Zemedici said:

Nailed it. But they sell the shit out of the cars, and gotta admit - the general public doesn’t give a shit about ring details etc etc

People keep buying em they’ll keep selling em.

@Klaus any chance on a hellcat?

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Klaus said:

Maybe, will have to think about it. It is probably worth it to pay up for the Hellcat over the 392. At that price point would have to give ZL1 a chance, too.

I think the SRT Jeep is out. It seems like a good idea, but would not be fast enough to get me excited and fails at utility function, too.

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Klaus said:

Maybe, will have to think about it. It is probably worth it to pay up for the Hellcat over the 392. At that price point would have to give ZL1 a chance, too.

I think the SRT Jeep is out. It seems like a good idea, but would not be fast enough to get me excited and fails at utility function, too.

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08mojo said:

Out of curiosity, why do you say the jeep fails at utility function?

I would not hesitate to go with a ZL1 over a Hellcat.

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Klaus said:

So, I am thinking of a Challenger for a DD. Either a Scat or SRT. I know the SRT has better brakes, headlights, interior, wheels. Any other notable differences? Also should I get an A8 or M6? Already have a built GT500 so do not have any itches to scratch, will just be a cruiser and occasional DD. What should I get?

Also, the guys on Challengertalk are hilarious. They are dropping $5-10k on H/C/I/LT for 85whp. Just went through long thread of guy that went through all this then blew a piston then rebuilt it then could not get tune to work so had to sell it. Modding these is a total waste of time IMO.

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Klaus said:

I suppose it could be an option but had not thought about it since I already have GT500. I guess they are less than 10k more so should be on the list. Also thinking about an SRT Jeep.

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Klaus said:

Wood chips LOL. The flip side of this is that if you are going to build, you can get 5.7s for next to nothing and have a really good baseline to work with. There is a Hot Rod article floating where they bought a 5.7 longblock out if a truck for $1200, put another $2000 into headwork and internals and had a solid 550hp motor. Point taken though, I built a subaru 2.5 - I hear ringland issues and shudder.



Not a bad idea but not the direction I would want to go.

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Curt@injected said:

Get the scat and an a8. Also, the hemi world is full of shops who don't know what they are doing. It was a neglected market for a long time and now that the hellcat is out, every Tom Dick and Harry is trying to be a mopar shop now. Find the right shop and they can be fun to play with. The 5.7/6.4 vvt are pretty fragile tho.

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Klaus said:

Nice. Do you think you could fit a mountain bike in trunk with seatsdown

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jeffh81 said:

Forgot to tag you with my link. So what do you know about ModernMuscleExtreme

MMX Modern Muscle Xtreme

The local Ram shop uses them and he loves them. They built the engine in the truck i linked.

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Curt@injected said:

Ya we've used some of their engines with good results. They don't do installs, mostly parts engines etc.

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jeffh81 said:

Moes swears by them. His truck is a beast

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Corbic said:

This is where I have to get upset with FCA. While they continue to put out some cool products and cater to their chosen audience, it feels hollow in many ways. A Demon is amazing, but $90k, a Redeye is cool and all, the Hellephant seems unreal.. and I've yet to see it listed for sale.... but... cars like the T/A, 1320 Spec, R/T and SCAT Pack all fall short. They fall short because while Ford and GM continue to beef up the internals of their engines, FCA has done NOTHING.

A Hemi 5.7, which is a damn good amount of displacement has a cast crank and guts made from harden wood chips. The 6.4 is impressive in stock form, but is basically maxed out. It's piston ring lands are to weak to realistically be boosted.

Then you have price, a nicely equipped SCAT Pak is in the 50's... and thats riding a 20 year old 4,000lb chassis, with an engine that is maxed out short of 500hp.

So yeah, really, anything short of a Hellcat, they are only good for a cruiser or commuter, and even though that's 90% of what I do, just knowing that, is very frustrating.

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slo984now said:

But on the flip side it's not up the manufacturer to build the engine how we want it. More then likely us Ford fans have been spoiled knowing we could push things a little beyond stock and not worry about it blowing up. But it's not like the manufacturer has to build an engine that can take boost from the factory. They have goals to reach and that's all they need to do.

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