10.8@127mph - 4200lbs race weight

biminiLX said:

So, you think it’s got a 9 sec pass on a hot E85 tune and a tire?
I’m hoping we find out soon.
-J

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probably need a little more than that, full bolt ons

ANGREY said:

I'll go a step further and say within 6 months of the first models hitting the streets there will be a shop or individual who does the SAME thing that the termi crowd did and puts a "tuner" setup on this car where they intake, tune, pulley and the car makes 150 more hp to the wheels and they throw drags on it and run deep into the 9's, maybe even 8's given how successful the aftermarket has been for the 18+ GTs.

At that point, all the Mopar pukes will scream in unison...…"STOCK."

The next time I get beaten by a crazy modified car that started as something less than mine from the factory I'm gonna use that word. When combined with $5.85 it will get me a cup of coffee at starbucks.

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i dont think deep 9s, thats in the DCT/60ft. but agree on the rest. hell, i bet its less than a month. i know if i can get 1st allocation, its straight to the track, 3 passes stock, 3 passes racegas, next day come back with tires and race gas. and the drop it off for a full exhaust and wait for shoemaker/pbd to get me a tune

PIPO said:

How tunable is a DCT? Want to go 9s close to stock? 1.5-1.6 60’ ain’t going to cut it.

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thats the big question. BUT it can go 9s if that mph is 140's with basics. ive seen untunable dct hit 10.44/133mph 1.44 60 But i think i did see ford state something about a tunable launch control

LostM said:

probably need a little more than that, full bolt ons


i dont think deep 9s, thats in the DCT/60ft. but agree on the rest. hell, i bet its less than a month. i know if i can get 1st allocation, its straight to the track, 3 passes stock, 3 passes racegas, next day come back with tires and race gas. and the drop it off for a full exhaust and wait for shoemaker/pbd to get me a tune


thats the big question. BUT it can go 9s if that mph is 140's with basics. ive seen untunable dct hit 10.44/133mph 1.44 60 But i think i did see ford state something about a tunable launch control

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Depends on how quickly tuning will be available. I don't think it will be that quick.

Curt@injected said:

Depends on how quickly tuning will be available. I don't think it will be that quick.

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for the tuning sure, but also wouldnt be suprised to gain 60-80rwhp with bolt ons and ms109 out the box, and then some crazy sob to pulley down for another 2psi even without a tune

Curt@injected said:

WTF. You guys were the ones all screaming "it's not stock" because guys were putting a tire on the demon. IDK how that whole conversation got turned around.

and hellcats pick up 200+whp with the same mods, just fyi.

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This is the hilarity of this thread in a nut shell. I saw a few posts back someone say toss drag radials on another car and see it’s braking numbers. Yea but then it’s not stock so it’s a moot point.

Also why are people talking about the demons road course abilities, it’s was a drag build only car. At least discuss the red eye or hellcat for its cornering abilities against other vehicles.

It’s like people just look for shit to bitch about.

Tire and fuel swap for racing is smart, and helps you avoid wasting your time blowing it up and struggling for grip.

Let’s start comparing atheistic performance but one football team gets water and tennis shoes and the other gets enhanced water and cleets.

I’m not bashing dodge for giving factory access to a decent race gas tune and some ok tire choices. We all know there is more on the table in that tune and better tires both dr and slick though that they didn’t use. If you’d end up fixing what they got wrong anyways why do you care if the other guy runs you with the same stuff done to his car?

Goodluck swapping the a8 to a dct or the ibc to a 4cam. Those are serious mods. I think the gt500 is only running like 12-15psi too. Isn’t the demon at 15+? Bigger sc too? Drag suspension too?

Gt500 guys are saying even all of that out, we’re just saying tires and fuel it’s a race.

tt335ci03cobra said:

Tire and fuel swap for racing is smart, and helps you avoid wasting your time blowing it up and struggling for grip.

Let’s start comparing atheistic performance but one football team gets water and tennis shoes and the other gets enhanced water and cleets.

I’m not bashing dodge for giving factory access to a decent race gas tune and some ok tire choices. We all know there is more on the table in that tune and better tires both dr and slick though that they didn’t use. If you’d end up fixing what they got wrong anyways why do you care if the other guy runs you with the same stuff done to his car?

Goodluck swapping the a8 to a dct or the ibc to a 4cam. Those are serious mods. I think the gt500 is only running like 12-15psi too. Isn’t the demon at 15+? Bigger sc too? Drag suspension too?

Gt500 guys are saying even all of that out, we’re just saying tires and fuel it’s a race.

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I personally agree, I’m just pointing out the irony of saying a car isn’t stock anymore with a tire swap and in the same breath putting it against a modded car.

I also understand that a tire swap on a demon isn’t stock anymore, yet still think it doesn’t take away from the impressive results of the car. I look forward to the same from the GT500 as well.

I ultimately find it funny anyone is trying to knock dodge off the metric the car lacks technology be it from a materials used or overall well rounded nature that may be missing from the hellcat variants.

People seem to forget that is here on forums that are delving far into the build of a vehicle make up a very small niche market of buyers for said vehicles. The majority of buyers are the average joe who won’t attend the strip, or road course and will never push a car hard enough to see the difference between the abilities of any top tier offering of dodge, ford, Chevy etc. Basically that means dodge hit a home run and the fact that these cars of theirs excite people really shows that.

Think new Supra, many are disappointed with Toyota and maybe rightfully so. That still won’t stop people from running out to buy and enjoy that.

Ford plays it closer to the chest with the GT500 and builds a more hardcore car for a much more narrow window of buyers and that is their approach. Some love it and to others it would never matter because they don’t get what makes it special anyway.

I like the hellcat and demon challengers and chargers. To me they are much more the jeckle hide terminator ethos of today than the gt500 is.

The gt500 has become a sort of an American r35 skyline, the terminator and now much more so in the hellcats and demon is a uniquely American proposition. Big power, competent chassis for mountain or backroad work, and distinctly American presence/stateliness.

The new 2020 gt500 is at home in pit lane at a track day with a group of super coupes like the amg gtr, skyline gtr, 911 etc or at a high profile car show.

The hellcats and demons are at home in any town USA car meets or in driveways of a blue collar guy drinking a beer in his backyard while grilling a steak in his grill and watching his family enjoy their life.

Since pre 2008 when I heard rumors of Ford producing the "Cobra Jet" I was excited to see a factory drag car effort from Ford just to be disappointed that it was to be NON-VIN Drag track only car, I always hoped, year after year, Ford would give us a street legal version of this beast but it never happened, yes we did get the GT 500 but it wasn't quite focused enough on 1/8 and 1/4 mile passes as much as an "all around" nice driving, very street-able, cruiser/bruiser. I feel Dodge seen the opportunity to fill this "niche" and did so quite well...kudos to Dodge for producing such a beast and congratulations to those that have one. I feel Ford could have done this a looooong time ago, sad that they didn't. I will continue to be the Ford fanboy I am rooting for the Blue Oval to be in the winners circle.

tt335ci03cobra said:

I like the hellcat and demon challengers and chargers. To me they are much more the jeckle hide terminator ethos of today than the gt500 is.

The gt500 has become a sort of an American r35 skyline, the terminator and now much more so in the hellcats and demon is a uniquely American proposition. Big power, competent chassis for mountain or backroad work, and distinctly American presence/stateliness.

The new 2020 gt500 is at home in pit lane at a track day with a group of super coupes like the amg gtr, skyline gtr, 911 etc or at a high profile car show.

The hellcats and demons are at home in any town USA car meets or in driveways of a blue collar guy drinking a beer in his backyard while grilling a steak in his grill and watching his family enjoy their life.

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Pretty spot on there. I really look forward to seeing how the GT500 stacks up. If I had the free time I’d love to do track days in one or even a GT350R

My94GT said:

This is the hilarity of this thread in a nut shell. I saw a few posts back someone say toss drag radials on another car and see it’s braking numbers. Yea but then it’s not stock so it’s a moot point.

Also why are people talking about the demons road course abilities, it’s was a drag build only car. At least discuss the red eye or hellcat for its cornering abilities against other vehicles.

It’s like people just look for shit to bitch about.

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The reason people are pointing out that even tire changes aren't "stock" is because Demon/Hellcat owners cling to the word like a winning lottery ticket.

Changing ANYTHING is a modification, because it's a slippery slope. If modifying tires isn't considered a mod, then why isn't dumping the passenger seat or the interior? It's such curious logic gymnastics for what's considered "stock" and what's not. If it didn't drive off the dealership lot that way, it's not stock. I love guys that say "it's JUST drag radials" well, if it doesn't make a difference, then why would you do it? The reality is, it DOES make a difference.

The Demon presents an even BIGGER debate because they ship you a box of mods and then you can choose to do any of it (including race fuel and skinnies) and still call it stock.

tt335ci03cobra said:

I like the hellcat and demon challengers and chargers. To me they are much more the jeckle hide terminator ethos of today than the gt500 is.

The gt500 has become a sort of an American r35 skyline, the terminator and now much more so in the hellcats and demon is a uniquely American proposition. Big power, competent chassis for mountain or backroad work, and distinctly American presence/stateliness.

The new 2020 gt500 is at home in pit lane at a track day with a group of super coupes like the amg gtr, skyline gtr, 911 etc or at a high profile car show.

The hellcats and demons are at home in any town USA car meets or in driveways of a blue collar guy drinking a beer in his backyard while grilling a steak in his grill and watching his family enjoy their life.

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Spot on sir.

It’s snowing here today. I’d love it to be spring, fire up the grill, call the fam over, toss some football, drink some beers.

Hellcats and demons resonate with the America of yesterday. I think they get a bad rap. I’m not a dodge guy but I’ve been tempted sorely to pick up a hellcat and enjoy the American theater of it.

I definitely don’t use 1/10th the potential of my 03 on the steeet so a gt500 would maybe be a waste on me

I'll just leave this here. The DEMON is going to STOMP on the new GT500 in a 1/4 mile race. All day, everyday. It is 100% what the car was designed for.

The GT500 will STOMP a Demon around a road course. All day, everyday. It is 100% what the car was designed for.

I just think people on here that think Venom Kills Demons and the new car will beat a Demon in a straight line are going to be very very disappoint when they see the real world numbers.

At recent Demon gathering, Demons with full interiors and stock tires were in the high 9's. The GT500 will never see 9's, ever. But again the GT500 does so much more.

Why are we having this debate?

Kaneda said:

I'll just leave this here. The DEMON is going to STOMP on the new GT500 in a 1/4 mile race. All day, everyday. It is 100% what the car was designed for.

The GT500 will STOMP a Demon around a road course. All day, everyday. It is 100% what the car was designed for.

I just think people on here that think Venom Kills Demons and the new car will beat a Demon in a straight line are going to be very very disappoint when they see the real world numbers.

At recent Demon gathering, Demons with full interiors and stock tires were in the high 9's. The GT500 will never see 9's, ever. But again the GT500 does so much more.

Why are we having this debate?

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We are having the debate because my dick as a ford owner is clearly bigger than a dodge owners.

The dodge owner will say his is, but as a ford owner, I know I’ve got this.

The debate will rage on. The demon is a better factory drag car, the gt500 is a better factory lapper.

I like more and more the idea of a used gt350r and a whipple or a single turbo. That’s enough handling for me, and the dct and push button parking brake is too fancy for my greasy servicing hands to figure out.

Kaneda said:

Why are we having this debate?

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ANGREY said:

The reason people are pointing out that even tire changes aren't "stock" is because Demon/Hellcat owners cling to the word like a winning lottery ticket.

Changing ANYTHING is a modification, because it's a slippery slope. If modifying tires isn't considered a mod, then why isn't dumping the passenger seat or the interior? It's such curious logic gymnastics for what's considered "stock" and what's not. If it didn't drive off the dealership lot that way, it's not stock. I love guys that say "it's JUST drag radials" well, if it doesn't make a difference, then why would you do it? The reality is, it DOES make a difference.

The Demon presents an even BIGGER debate because they ship you a box of mods and then you can choose to do any of it (including race fuel and skinnies) and still call it stock.

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I wasn’t refuting that fact. I’ve stated many times I agree once you change anything it’s not stock, still impressive just not stock.

What I am saying is funny is people like oh it’s drag radials on an accord and it’ll put brake a demon. Yea ok cool let’s mod a car and bench it’s merits against a stock demon.

It’s a niche car in an already small segment of vehicle production so yes it’s a one trick pony. The GT500 will be the scalpel and the hell cat varients specially the demon a hammer stock for stock.

Each have pluses and minuses and it’s simple as that really.

tt335ci03cobra said:

We are having the debate because my dick as a ford owner is clearly bigger than a dodge owners.

The dodge owner will say his is, but as a ford owner, I know I’ve got this.

The debate will rage on. The demon is a better factory drag car, the gt500 is a better factory lapper.

I like more and more the idea of a used gt350r and a whipple or a single turbo. That’s enough handling for me, and the dct and push button parking brake is too fancy for my greasy servicing hands to figure out.

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Yup for the money it’s hard not to want a boosted GT350R or a gen V viper for me. None the less I look forward to seeing modded GT500s perform as I’ll likely be in the market for a weekend car in the next year so that’ll give time to see how they do.

Right there with a boosted gt350r is just a simple clean 2002 viper gts with a 3.55 rear swap, full bolt ons, and send it to a custom shop for a real dash or retrofit something nicer with a usable 8” in dash.

I love the lines of the gen 1 viper gts and they are going for $35-55k now. Put some led’s in the head and taillights and license plate lights, some wheels and brakes, done.


Try to say no to that face. In my opinion, that gen of viper is hands down one of the best looking cars of all time

Hennessy spec honestly doesn’t do it for me any more compared to just the stock lines.

To me, much better vvv

This ain’t too bad though. You know this is pretty damn good looking.