Question about BAMA x4 and egr/sai delete.

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That's how it used to be, but the government stepped in because they knew it was a joke. This (having to physically take your car to get it tuned) is just an extra step to deter people from doing a simple mail order tune. The government mandate of having to train anyone who tunes cars is their warning. Bama (and anyone else who does mail order tunes) aren't going to get sued. You can tune your own car or find someone to do it for you.

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The joke is the government stepping in. I could rant all day about it....the premise behind the EPA crap is dumb to me.


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Eh... look at pictures of cities before the EPA regs kicked in in the 70s. Wasn't pretty. Agreed some of the shit is stupid but regulating clean air isn't. That said, the performance market and emissions is basically a non factor overall. Its not big enough... but... its enforcement of existing laws. Removing emissions equipment has been a federal crime since forever. The fact that its been as lax as it has for so long and still isn't enforced 100% is something at least.
 

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Eh... look at pictures of cities before the EPA regs kicked in in the 70s. Wasn't pretty. Agreed some of the shit is stupid but regulating clean air isn't. That said, the performance market and emissions is basically a non factor overall. Its not big enough... but... its enforcement of existing laws. Removing emissions equipment has been a federal crime since forever. The fact that its been as lax as it has for so long and still isn't enforced 100% is something at least.
I’ve always thought If SMOG and emissions testing truly made an impact, every state would have it. I grew up in Cali and even there not every county within the state had smog checks. It was based on population. I guess the pollution only stayed in your county? Pollution doesn’t cross state lines? Total joke. Just a stupid money grab is all it’s ever been. I agree with not pouring oil out into the ground and obvious other things, but come on. You got me sounding like the old man shaking his fist right now at the town hall haha.


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Eh... look at pictures of cities before the EPA regs kicked in in the 70s. Wasn't pretty. Agreed some of the shit is stupid but regulating clean air isn't. That said, the performance market and emissions is basically a non factor overall. Its not big enough... but... its enforcement of existing laws. Removing emissions equipment has been a federal crime since forever. The fact that its been as lax as it has for so long and still isn't enforced 100% is something at least.
Those that are in favor of removing regulations usually don't know the context of why those regulations were originally put in place. There are individuals out there who would like to see deregulation back to the olden days, but the Cuyahoga River catching on fire used to be just your average event as well.
 

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Yep they would. I'm definitely not advocating for that and we do need emissions laws as long as we have fossil fuel engines. I just don't get the need for everyone to do OR pipes and delete all the emissions stuff. Besides cleaning up the engine bay it doesn't do anything for performance and if you need to have the loudest possible exhaust on the block maybe go see a counselor about self confidence issues...
 

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I’ve always thought If SMOG and emissions testing truly made an impact, every state would have it. I grew up in Cali and even there not every county within the state had smog checks. It was based on population. I guess the pollution only stayed in your county? Pollution doesn’t cross state lines? Total joke. Just a stupid money grab is all it’s ever been. I agree with not pouring oil out into the ground and obvious other things, but come on. You got me sounding like the old man shaking his fist right now at the town hall haha.


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Every state does have it... because its Federally mandated laws. The fact that not all states enforce the rules is another story. In any state, even one that doesn't have inspections, you can still be ticketed/towed/impounded for not having cats or whatever. Happened to my friend in Wisconsin.
 

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Every state does have it... because its Federally mandated laws. The fact that not all states enforce the rules is another story. In any state, even one that doesn't have inspections, you can still be ticketed/towed/impounded for not having cats or whatever. Happened to my friend in Wisconsin.

At the moment, I live in Mississippi amigo. Zero SMOG or Emission checks. To make it even funnier, they even got rid of the state inspection sticker requirement because even that was a joke. There’s no way to convince me otherwise. If Mustang owners take the EGR off or get a loud X pipe, awesome. For those who don’t, ok awesome. If anyone wants to play Captain Planet, and they’re doing it from behind the wheel of a Mustang, that’s funny. It still uses gas...and a lot of it. I’m not gonna sit here argue my point forever. Mod your shit how you want....it’s America.


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So let me get this straight...you can buy EGR delete plates and un-catted exhaust kits built for “off-road use only,” pretty much anything else to delete the emissions components on your vehicle. But when it comes to disabling a stupid light that comes AFTER you’ve already disabled the Earth saving features, that’s what warrants a fine? What a joke.


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Technically, all of that is illegal too under federal law. And really, is anyone confused by this? If the "Off-Road Use Only" thing isnt the biggest wink and a nudge con job going on, then I dont know what is. Its illegal to disable emissions equipment on road going cars. Doesnt matter if that means an off-road mid pipe or turning off the rear o2's in a tune. Under the law, its disallowed. For many many years, no one particularly cared, and the feds have been happy to look the other way. Then the diesel guys started rolling smoke on every prius and tesla they saw, it got all over the news, and the Feds couldnt really ignore it anymore. Now we all pay the price.
 
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