Question about BAMA x4 and egr/sai delete.

Revvv · Jan 29, 2019

Chris_98Cobra said:
My homework consisted of reading the BAMA website, along with the various websites that sell these tuners. I then searched forums for key words like "egr delete" and "tunes for egr/cai delete", which all brought up threads upon threads of people talking about how all you need is a tuner to delete them, many of which mentioned SCT and Bama as specific tuners to accomplish this. Like I said, the americanmuscle site specifically states they can delete the egr with their tunes. It's literally still on their site right now.

Bama Mustang X4/SF4 Power Flash Tuner w/ 3 Custom Tunes 101200G94SE (96-98 Cobra)

Look at the second question in the Q&A area.

How much more homework should I have done? I debated going with Tweecer or Bama, and after many people suggesting Bama I went with it. My annoyance is directed at the reputable website where I purchased the tuner for being very clear that this tuner CAN do what I want it to do. Only to find out AFTER I dropped $430 that I can't do three of the four things I wanted it for. I talked to them yesterday and just got off the phone with them again, yet their website STILL shows it can delete the EGR function. You don't think that's misleading? I'm sorry if I'm a little pissy, but given the circumstance I think I have the right to be. Especially since they won't return it and now I'm stuck with something that MAY do what I want, only if I can find someone who can do it. Because from what they told me just now, nobody using SCT software can delete the function. At this point unless I can find someone who CAN do it, I'm stuck with either now replacing all the missing emissions components, or selling this and buying an older tuner or a tweecer.

Stop listening to anything Bama / AM has to say. @MalcomV8 (I think I got the screen name correct) and many others can tune your car. You are surrounded by tuners in FL that can tune.

I would also be demanding an R/A label and refund from AM due to misleading advertising. Then pick up a tuner with older firmware.

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2DXTRM · Jan 29, 2019

Chris_98Cobra said:
and after many people suggesting Bama I went with it.

Sometimes the letter M in the word masses (people), is silent.

At this point unless I can find someone who CAN do it, I'm stuck with either now replacing all the missing emissions components, or selling this and buying an older tuner or a tweecer.

TwEECer is great. Another one is Moates. Also there is HP Tuners.

Chris_98Cobra · Jan 29, 2019

They weren't budging and honestly I'm not the kind of guy to argue, call me a sally but I state my case, explain m

Revvv said:
Stop listening to anything Bama / AM has to say. @MalcomV8 (I think I got the screen name correct) and many others can tune your car. You are surrounded by tuners in FL that can tune.

I would also be demanding an R/A label and refund from AM due to misleading advertising. Then pick up a tuner with older firmware.

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At this point I'm just going to call it a loss and stop dealing with AM all together. They don't want to refund it and honestly at this point I'm tired of fighting about it with them. So I'm going to justify it by figuring I'm really only out the $40 for the lifetime tunes. If I bought the SCT I would be in the same boat, so at least I have the tuner. I have a contact with an amazing shop around here who is going to try to get me someone locally who will create the tune for me, if that doesn't pan out I'm also going to contact Malcomm or others here who write tunes and see what I can get. I figure at this point, if someone can write me the base tune just to get things all smoothed out, I will wait for a "power" tune until I get the rest of the mods I want done later in the year. So it shouldn't be a total loss, just the cost of the "lifetime" tunes and whatever I pay for the tune I need now. Not a big loss in the grand scheme of things. I would have gone a different route had I known what I know now, but at this point cut my losses and make the best of it. I really appreciate your help and info. I know I'm headed in the right direction.

Chris_98Cobra · Jan 29, 2019

2DXTRM said:
Sometimes the letter M in the word masses (people), is silent.

TwEECer is great. Another one is Moates. Also there is HP Tuners.

Yea, the tweecer was awesome. When I first got it on my 88, I did it for the same reasons. I first just wanted to turn off the smog pump and egr, and smooth out my idle and change my injectors/MAF. As time went on and I learned more about the EEC IV, I was able to data log my runs on no2 and tweak things as I went. That was a lot of fun. I really didn't want to go through all those steps this time, figuring it would be easier to go this route. At this point all I really need to do is pay for my tunes and let someone else write them for me. I won't have total control but at least I should accomplish what I need.

Revvv · Jan 30, 2019

Chris_98Cobra said:
They weren't budging and honestly I'm not the kind of guy to argue, call me a sally but I state my case, explain m

At this point I'm just going to call it a loss and stop dealing with AM all together. They don't want to refund it and honestly at this point I'm tired of fighting about it with them. So I'm going to justify it by figuring I'm really only out the $40 for the lifetime tunes. If I bought the SCT I would be in the same boat, so at least I have the tuner. I have a contact with an amazing shop around here who is going to try to get me someone locally who will create the tune for me, if that doesn't pan out I'm also going to contact Malcomm or others here who write tunes and see what I can get. I figure at this point, if someone can write me the base tune just to get things all smoothed out, I will wait for a "power" tune until I get the rest of the mods I want done later in the year. So it shouldn't be a total loss, just the cost of the "lifetime" tunes and whatever I pay for the tune I need now. Not a big loss in the grand scheme of things. I would have gone a different route had I known what I know now, but at this point cut my losses and make the best of it. I really appreciate your help and info. I know I'm headed in the right direction.

Feel free to keep us updated and ask questions as you need to. I look forward to your build.

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scottydsntknow · Jan 30, 2019

"I did my homework".

Sorry I'm going to probably sound like an ass here but if you did your homework then you wouldn't have gone with bama in the first place. Noone who actually does real tuning is going to recommend bama. Not one. Bama "tunes" are all canned tunes sent to you by a $12/hr customer service rep that may or may not know much of anything about cars. Bama "tunes" are a train wreck, super rich and almost 0 timing.

If you are stuck with the tuner and they won't return it, consider the price of "bama tunes for life" as a life lesson and then contact someone legit. As far as deleting the EGR/SAI. You'd have to find a guy who isn't going to care about deleting that stuff. Worst case re-install it, it's not hurting performance, just looks kinda crappy.

Revvv · Jan 30, 2019

scottydsntknow said:
"I did my homework".

Sorry I'm going to probably sound like an ass here but if you did your homework then you wouldn't have gone with bama in the first place. Noone who actually does real tuning is going to recommend bama. Not one. Bama "tunes" are all canned tunes sent to you by a $12/hr customer service rep that may or may not know much of anything about cars. Bama "tunes" are a train wreck, super rich and almost 0 timing.

If you are stuck with the tuner and they won't return it, consider the price of "bama tunes for life" as a life lesson and then contact someone legit. As far as deleting the EGR/SAI. You'd have to find a guy who isn't going to care about deleting that stuff. Worst case re-install it, it's not hurting performance, just looks kinda crappy.

Scotty, this man did the same research that most new owners do. Not everyone is a performance enthusiast, so a lot of things go unnoticed. Given American Muscle's marketing, they can be extremely convincing. Add in forums full of people that have a few simple bolt ons and Bama tunes, and you have word of mouth from people that do not understand how in depth tuning is.

Allow me to compare this to Bose speakers. Bose has great marketing, but their speakers and acoustic designs are not what they are hyped to be. Sure, they sound great in the Bose designed sound room in the store, but everything is different when the speakers and other equipment make it to your house. No true audiophile would purchase Bose today. True sound enthusiasts know you are only paying for marketing and a name.

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Chris_98Cobra · Jan 30, 2019

scottydsntknow said:
"I did my homework".

Sorry I'm going to probably sound like an ass here but if you did your homework then you wouldn't have gone with bama in the first place. Noone who actually does real tuning is going to recommend bama. Not one. Bama "tunes" are all canned tunes sent to you by a $12/hr customer service rep that may or may not know much of anything about cars. Bama "tunes" are a train wreck, super rich and almost 0 timing.

If you are stuck with the tuner and they won't return it, consider the price of "bama tunes for life" as a life lesson and then contact someone legit. As far as deleting the EGR/SAI. You'd have to find a guy who isn't going to care about deleting that stuff. Worst case re-install it, it's not hurting performance, just looks kinda crappy.

I didn't/don't need a proper tune, not at this stage. My thought was all I need, at this point, was something that can disable some functions like IMRC, and the emissions stuff. The car doesn't have much in the way of mods right now, a catted x pipe and an intake. Not worth the trouble of getting it properly tuned at this point. The thought was finding something that could do some easy things now, like disabling EGR and IMRC, then in the future when the mods are all in, take it to a tuner and let them write a proper tune, using the hand held as my device. Honestly, if the BAMA did what they said it would do, it would have been the perfect thing for me. Disable those things now, hold my proper tune later. Like I said, I considered going with the Tweecer like I had on my previous car, but I just didn't really feel like going through the learning process over again with this car. It was a lot to learn the Tweecer on a 5.0. This is a whole different PCM with a lot more to learn. I read a ton of forum posts where people recommended the SCT/Bama for such a situation. Of course those were all before Jan 1 and disabling the EGR was simple.

The car needs a new DPFE, the EGR tube was leaking, and the hose to the SAI was broken. Seemed a lot easier to simply disable those features and remove them than it would be to fix and replace them. Especially true for the IMRC. Simpler and cheaper to disable....assuming it was still that easy to delete them.

Given Revvv's advice, I'm not really out much here. Like you said, just the $40 for the lifetime tunes.

Chris_98Cobra · Jan 30, 2019

Revvv said:
Feel free to keep us updated and ask questions as you need to. I look forward to your build.

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Thanks, I really appreciate your info and help. At this point I just need to get the car back together. I took off the intake to replace the IMRC with the MMR plates, which will be here tomorrow. Figured that was a good time to change the valve cover gaskets, injector o-rings, and clean everything. I got my subframes installed, so next will be collecting all the things for the next big day. k-member, LTs/exhaust, and suspension. In the end I'm not trying to build a 500hp car or anything. Just something that will be fun for the weekends and can handle the roads.

My Wife told me a few years ago I would regret selling my 88 coupe, and she was right. This car fell into my lap, needed a clutch but aside from the egr and imrc issues, it's clean. No damage, needs a paint job, but solid car. So I figured this would be a good replacement for the old 88.

Revvv · Jan 30, 2019

You can run the car without the EGR and other emissions garbage, you will just have a CEL on to annoy you. MIL deletes are a simple answer to the rear O2 sensors, but the rest of the stuff has to be disabled to kill the light unless you want to pull the bulb from the cluster.

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scottydsntknow · Jan 31, 2019

Running no tune is better than running a bama tune... Try James Gordon from Tuning by James, you can google him. He'll do an actual remote tuning session with you. You will need a wideband which everyone should have honestly.

Vigilante · Feb 1, 2019

This thread has me seriously downtrodden... I was planning on getting an SCT tuner with my taxes in the next month and doing EXACTLY what the op wanted to do and now that's no longer possible? Like does no one here have a copy that they can share(discreetly if necessary) and we can upload into the handheld?

How or what should I use now to delete IMRCs, EGR, and SAI? I was thinking a dyno tuner but I have no idea where to even start looking in Tucson for that and I highly doubt I have those anymore as those were taken off ten years and two moves ago. The car only needs to pass emissions two more times before I get a exempt plate anyway, but damn... I don't want to wait three more years after waiting a decade to get money with the engine apart haha.

Revvv · Feb 1, 2019

Vigilante said:
This thread has me seriously downtrodden... I was planning on getting an SCT tuner with my taxes in the next month and doing EXACTLY what the op wanted to do and now that's no longer possible? Like does no one here have a copy that they can share(discreetly if necessary) and we can upload into the handheld?

How or what should I use now to delete IMRCs, EGR, and SAI? I was thinking a dyno tuner but I have no idea where to even start looking in Tucson for that and I highly doubt I have those anymore as those were taken off ten years and two moves ago. The car only needs to pass emissions two more times before I get a exempt plate anyway, but damn... I don't want to wait three more years after waiting a decade to get money with the engine apart haha.

There are still tuners using SCT that have full access.

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Chris_98Cobra · Feb 1, 2019

Yea, I'll get a wideband when I do the exhaust. I hate taking things apart twice, so after I get the car running again, hopefully this weekend. I need to fix my trunk leak, weld my other subframe connector on....the welder took a dump after the first one. Then it's a matter of collecti

Vigilante said:
This thread has me seriously downtrodden... I was planning on getting an SCT tuner with my taxes in the next month and doing EXACTLY what the op wanted to do and now that's no longer possible? Like does no one here have a copy that they can share(discreetly if necessary) and we can upload into the handheld?

How or what should I use now to delete IMRCs, EGR, and SAI? I was thinking a dyno tuner but I have no idea where to even start looking in Tucson for that and I highly doubt I have those anymore as those were taken off ten years and two moves ago. The car only needs to pass emissions two more times before I get a exempt plate anyway, but damn... I don't want to wait three more years after waiting a decade to get money with the engine apart haha.

They can still delete the IMRC with no problem. It's the emissions components that nobody wants to mess with.

shurur · Feb 2, 2019

Not seeing any profanity.....?

nomoretickets said:
If you did your homework, then how did you miss the massive lawsuit and settlement a few months ago over this?
As you have been told elsewhere, no major company is going to be able to deactivate emissions systems in the tune (i.e. violate federal law). Its always been illegal, but like most things, no one particularly cared because it wasnt a problem. If you are annoyed, direct your profanity to the idiots rolling coal.

scottydsntknow · Feb 3, 2019

There are SCT tuners out there who will still do it. And worst case scenario? Run the emissions equipment... its not like it robs any power and its an easy solution. Oh no you might not be able to run with no cats and have "teh loudest zomg" exhaust on the block.

Güero · Feb 3, 2019

So let me get this straight...you can buy EGR delete plates and un-catted exhaust kits built for “off-road use only,” pretty much anything else to delete the emissions components on your vehicle. But when it comes to disabling a stupid light that comes AFTER you’ve already disabled the Earth saving features, that’s what warrants a fine? What a joke.

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96GT226410 · Feb 3, 2019

Güero said:
So let me get this straight...you can buy EGR delete plates and un-catted exhaust kits built for “off-road use only,” pretty much anything else to delete the emissions components on your vehicle. But when it comes to disabling a stupid light that comes AFTER you’ve already disabled the Earth saving features, that’s what warrants a fine? What a joke.

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Anything can be sold, it's what you do with it afterwards that makes it illegal. How many dedicated drag or track cars do you see with license plates on them? Exactly, they're not road vehicles, hence "for off road use only."

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Güero · Feb 3, 2019

96GT226410 said:
Anything can be sold, it's what you do with it afterwards that makes it illegal. How many dedicated drag or track cars do you see with license plates on them? Exactly, they're not road vehicles, hence "for off road use only."

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Ok. So sell the tune, “for off-road use only” or attach it to the “Race” tune they market. I get they’re trying to protect themselves but we’re talking about a light....it’s not BAMA who physically removes the component and disabled the system, I did that part. I personally made a contribution to global warming by doing so, not BAMA. They just turn the light off. And yes I promise to use it off road only.

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96GT226410 · Feb 3, 2019

Güero said:
Ok. So sell the tune, “for off-road use only” or attach it to the “Race” tune they market. I get they’re trying to protect themselves but we’re talking about a light....it’s not BAMA who physically removes the component and disabled the system, I did that part. I personally made a contribution to global warming by doing so, not BAMA. They just turn the light off. And yes I promise to use it off road only.

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That's how it used to be, but the government stepped in because they knew it was a joke. This (having to physically take your car to get it tuned) is just an extra step to deter people from doing a simple mail order tune. The government mandate of having to train anyone who tunes cars is their warning. Bama (and anyone else who does mail order tunes) aren't going to get sued. You can tune your own car or find someone to do it for you.

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