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Funny.... lol

When Demon runs 9.8-9.9s stock, people crucify Dodge. When new Shelby runs less than advertised... “bad runs happen”.... LoL!

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The whole "stock" issue bores me. Honestly. I can just see every guy who's beaten by a modified Supra saying "well, if you left it stock, I'd be faster." We get so wrapped around the axle with "stock" numbers, I guess as an indication as to what the car is capable of down the road or potential.

However, with the Demon, the lines get blurred even further. What exactly is stock. I have yet to see a Demon run sub 10's in the configuration it left the showroom floor. And yes, swapping out Nittos for MT's isn't "stock." (if that's the case, then why not put drag slicks on and call it stock?). And throwing skinnies on the front and a tune on race fuel, is that stock? Did it leave the dealership on race fuel?

We could get drug down into what's stock, but I always hold numbers as quoted by manufacturers and even aftermarket media tests with a grain of salt. What was the DA? Who was the driver? How much fuel was in the tank?

I don't think we should concern ourselves as much as when we start to see the first couple of models hit the strip and find out just how fast it is fully stock trim and what it's capable of being wrung out.

Besides, we all know that within 6 months, someone's going to create a tuner kit with CAI, E-85 tune (and maybe even a pulley swap) some DR's and drop this car into the 9's with ease.
 

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The whole "stock" issue bores me. Honestly. I can just see every guy who's beaten by a modified Supra saying "well, if you left it stock, I'd be faster." We get so wrapped around the axle with "stock" numbers, I guess as an indication as to what the car is capable of down the road or potential.

However, with the Demon, the lines get blurred even further. What exactly is stock. I have yet to see a Demon run sub 10's in the configuration it left the showroom floor. And yes, swapping out Nittos for MT's isn't "stock." (if that's the case, then why not put drag slicks on and call it stock?). And throwing skinnies on the front and a tune on race fuel, is that stock? Did it leave the dealership on race fuel?

We could get drug down into what's stock, but I always hold numbers as quoted by manufacturers and even aftermarket media tests with a grain of salt. What was the DA? Who was the driver? How much fuel was in the tank?

I don't think we should concern ourselves as much as when we start to see the first couple of models hit the strip and find out just how fast it is fully stock trim and what it's capable of being wrung out.

Besides, we all know that within 6 months, someone's going to create a tuner kit with CAI, E-85 tune (and maybe even a pulley swap) some DR's and drop this car into the 9's with ease.

I also take numbers with a grain of salt. The smallest details matter. Whether the new shelby runs 10.80s at 130+ on the average (as adveritsed by Ford’s reps), is irrelevant. The car is already a big win.

I just find it funny that people nit pick shit, when is not the brand that they favor. LoL

Ford, Dodge and Chevy are all winning, as far as Im concerned. ALL of them have impressive cars.
 

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To be fair they were people involved with the GT500 program. But you're right, Ford hasn't marketed the car on those mph numbers - yet anyway. But they have been clear in print about sub 11 second numbers. Pushing the engineers further, the "10.8's" number was let out.


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I also take numbers with a grain of salt. The smallest details matter. Whether the new shelby runs 10.80s at 130+ on the average (as adveritsed by Ford’s reps), is irrelevant. The car is already a big win.

I just find it funny that people nit pick shit, when is not the brand that they favor. LoL

Ford, Dodge and Chevy are all winning, as far as Im concerned. ALL of them have impressive cars.

I agree that it's a great time to be an enthusiast and when I look back at where we were 20 years ago, it's amazing what the new "baseline" looks like across the industry.

Having said that, each manufacturer has their own approach to marketing. Dodge (and it's followers) happens to be fixated on this whole "factory" "warranty" "stock" schtick. They wear it like a badge of honor. Nevermind the fact that there are 2018 GT's already in the 8's (with dealer installed, warrantied TT kits). And nevermind that the Hellcat/Demon is a TERRIBLE platform to start with (dragging a 4500 lb car isn't exactly a path to dominance) and nevermind the fact that even if the other makes equal or beat the Demon/Hellcat, those offerings CRUSH the boat cars in every other automotive category.....Dodge HAS to win on the marketing front of most advertised crank HP and fastest "STOCK" car. It's customers will also hold on to those titles like their lives depend on it (it's an ego thing and buyer's confidence that they made the right choice).

It's just going to break a lot of Mopar hearts when the GT500's start rolling out and within a few weeks they're crushing out low 9's and 8's with minor and moderate modifications. But even then, the whole "stock" concept is going to be what hellcat/demon owners cling to.

You can take a ZL1 or a Mustang GT or a GT500 or virtually any of the competition offerings and create a BETTER drag car (and have a better turning/braking car in the process).

I'm glad Ford didn't get caught up into the nonsense that is crank HP figures.

I could care less if a car has 300 hp or 1000 hp. It's more to do with how it performs and how much potential it has to perform in the future.
 

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I agree that it's a great time to be an enthusiast and when I look back at where we were 20 years ago, it's amazing what the new "baseline" looks like across the industry.

Having said that, each manufacturer has their own approach to marketing. Dodge (and it's followers) happens to be fixated on this whole "factory" "warranty" "stock" schtick. They wear it like a badge of honor. Nevermind the fact that there are 2018 GT's already in the 8's (with dealer installed, warrantied TT kits). And nevermind that the Hellcat/Demon is a TERRIBLE platform to start with (dragging a 4500 lb car isn't exactly a path to dominance) and nevermind the fact that even if the other makes equal or beat the Demon/Hellcat, those offerings CRUSH the boat cars in every other automotive category.....Dodge HAS to win on the marketing front of most advertised crank HP and fastest "STOCK" car. It's customers will also hold on to those titles like their lives depend on it (it's an ego thing and buyer's confidence that they made the right choice).

It's just going to break a lot of Mopar hearts when the GT500's start rolling out and within a few weeks they're crushing out low 9's and 8's with minor and moderate modifications. But even then, the whole "stock" concept is going to be what hellcat/demon owners cling to.

You can take a ZL1 or a Mustang GT or a GT500 or virtually any of the competition offerings and create a BETTER drag car (and have a better turning/braking car in the process).

I'm glad Ford didn't get caught up into the nonsense that is crank HP figures.

I could care less if a car has 300 hp or 1000 hp. It's more to do with how it performs and how much potential it has to perform in the future.


Agree with most of this although i'll say Mopar has always given us boats for cars. Always. Back to the 60's.

Truthfully, they are Grand Tourers blessed with a shit ton of power. Obviously, that's what the consumer wants as there's a strong demand for the product.

Nothing wrong with big, comfy, and plaster-you-into-the-seat horsepower.
 

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To be fair they were people involved with the GT500 program. But you're right, Ford hasn't marketed the car on those mph numbers - yet anyway. But they have been clear in print about sub 11 second numbers. Pushing the engineers further, the "10.8's" number was let out.


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And by daves statement it should be able to repeatedly. But to say its under achieved because someone saw it ran 10.8 on race gas and dr's in a pre production car is silly.
 
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I agree that it's a great time to be an enthusiast and when I look back at where we were 20 years ago, it's amazing what the new "baseline" looks like across the industry.

Having said that, each manufacturer has their own approach to marketing. Dodge (and it's followers) happens to be fixated on this whole "factory" "warranty" "stock" schtick. They wear it like a badge of honor. Nevermind the fact that there are 2018 GT's already in the 8's (with dealer installed, warrantied TT kits). And nevermind that the Hellcat/Demon is a TERRIBLE platform to start with (dragging a 4500 lb car isn't exactly a path to dominance) and nevermind the fact that even if the other makes equal or beat the Demon/Hellcat, those offerings CRUSH the boat cars in every other automotive category.....Dodge HAS to win on the marketing front of most advertised crank HP and fastest "STOCK" car. It's customers will also hold on to those titles like their lives depend on it (it's an ego thing and buyer's confidence that they made the right choice).

It's just going to break a lot of Mopar hearts when the GT500's start rolling out and within a few weeks they're crushing out low 9's and 8's with minor and moderate modifications. But even then, the whole "stock" concept is going to be what hellcat/demon owners cling to.

You can take a ZL1 or a Mustang GT or a GT500 or virtually any of the competition offerings and create a BETTER drag car (and have a better turning/braking car in the process).

I'm glad Ford didn't get caught up into the nonsense that is crank HP figures.

I could care less if a car has 300 hp or 1000 hp. It's more to do with how it performs and how much potential it has to perform in the future.

I doubt anyone will be heart broken as the dodge fan base knows with very simple mods as well they are running 9s and lower.

The whole clinging to stock thing is that they have a drag based car that can go crack 9s from the factory and drive to and from the track. Yes that’s impressive still that some dude with next to nothing in seat time can go do 9.90s even if it’s not the advertised 9.65

Does this mean they are the best? No not at all, each car will have it’s pit falls. When GT500 owners get beat they will likely say oh it’s a road course car anyway, set aside the fact very few owners will utilize as such.

The reality is most buyers of these cars are looking for bragging points at their local cars and coffee meets and want to make some quick sprints on the highway. This is across the board no matter the brand really. A very small amount of people will go run these hard competitively where they will true see each cars strengths and weaknesses make a difference.
 

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Nevermind the fact that there are 2018 GT's already in the 8's (with dealer installed, warrantied TT kits).

I'm not so sure it is fair to compare a factory engineered car that is covered by a corporate warranty plan (Dodge) with a Mustang that has an aftermarket turbo kit that a dealer happened to install. Let's be honest about it - that's a bit of a stretch.
 

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I'm not so sure it is fair to compare a factory engineered car that is covered by a corporate warranty plan (Dodge) with a Mustang that has an aftermarket turbo kit that a dealer happened to install. Let's be honest about it - that's a bit of a stretch.

I am. If going fast in a straight line were still my primary focus, I'd buy a camaro or a new GT, put a warrantied dealer kit on it, have a FASTER car, that TURNS better, that BRAKES better AND have $30k to sit in my savings account in case the dealer warranty isn't as good as the corporate warranty.

Dodge (what's left of them) has REALLY mastered the marketing concept of slap a car with 20 year old technology and absolutely no R&D effort (to save weight, improve the motor, etc) and as long as they advertise high crank HP numbers and have a body shape that Mopar loyalists like, they'll sell cars. It's brilliant. Dodge bean counters and execs laugh all the way to the bank. A blown 6.2 liter on race fuel that makes 840? Welcome to 1990 technology. It revs like a tractor. Weighs as much as an SUV. But hey, it has a big 3 digit power number at the crank. Everything else is secondary.
 

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I am. If going fast in a straight line were still my primary focus, I'd buy a camaro or a new GT, put a warrantied dealer kit on it, have a FASTER car, that TURNS better, that BRAKES better AND have $30k to sit in my savings account in case the dealer warranty isn't as good as the corporate warranty.

Dodge (what's left of them) has REALLY mastered the marketing concept of slap a car with 20 year old technology and absolutely no R&D effort (to save weight, improve the motor, etc) and as long as they advertise high crank HP numbers and have a body shape that Mopar loyalists like, they'll sell cars. It's brilliant. Dodge bean counters and execs laugh all the way to the bank. A blown 6.2 liter on race fuel that makes 840? Welcome to 1990 technology. It revs like a tractor. Weighs as much as an SUV. But hey, it has a big 3 digit power number at the crank. Everything else is secondary.

Simplicity for the win LOL.
 

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I am. If going fast in a straight line were still my primary focus, I'd buy a camaro or a new GT, put a warrantied dealer kit on it, have a FASTER car, that TURNS better, that BRAKES better AND have $30k to sit in my savings account in case the dealer warranty isn't as good as the corporate warranty.

Dodge (what's left of them) has REALLY mastered the marketing concept of slap a car with 20 year old technology and absolutely no R&D effort (to save weight, improve the motor, etc) and as long as they advertise high crank HP numbers and have a body shape that Mopar loyalists like, they'll sell cars. It's brilliant. Dodge bean counters and execs laugh all the way to the bank. A blown 6.2 liter on race fuel that makes 840? Welcome to 1990 technology. It revs like a tractor. Weighs as much as an SUV. But hey, it has a big 3 digit power number at the crank. Everything else is secondary.
That 8 second car is going to destroy the trans. The 10r doesn't live long at those power levels.
 

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I am. If going fast in a straight line were still my primary focus, I'd buy a camaro or a new GT, put a warrantied dealer kit on it, have a FASTER car, that TURNS better, that BRAKES better AND have $30k to sit in my savings account in case the dealer warranty isn't as good as the corporate warranty.

Dodge (what's left of them) has REALLY mastered the marketing concept of slap a car with 20 year old technology and absolutely no R&D effort (to save weight, improve the motor, etc) and as long as they advertise high crank HP numbers and have a body shape that Mopar loyalists like, they'll sell cars. It's brilliant. Dodge bean counters and execs laugh all the way to the bank. A blown 6.2 liter on race fuel that makes 840? Welcome to 1990 technology. It revs like a tractor. Weighs as much as an SUV. But hey, it has a big 3 digit power number at the crank. Everything else is secondary.

Yet it gets the job done and people are buying them. Also they are stuck waiting years in between for New iterations, though apparently 2020 is supposed to bring a complete refresh of that platform with hybrid tech mixed in so we’ll see.

The demon will also have resale value for potential buyers as it’s a limited run car. The mustang GT is just that a modded GT.

If a modded GT is so special then why does ford even bother with a GT500? It’s all marketing and selling to a fan base at the end of the day no matter what brand we’re talking about.
 

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I'm not so sure it is fair to compare a factory engineered car that is covered by a corporate warranty plan (Dodge) with a Mustang that has an aftermarket turbo kit that a dealer happened to install. Let's be honest about it - that's a bit of a stretch.
Totally agree. And I’ll say it again, if ford had a factory warrantied car that could turn out sub 10 second times on tire only, the internet would explode. And I would be first in line for one. And an 8 second gt is quite a deviation from stock in a car that’s parts are in no way made to handle said power for extended use. If we are talking cheaper, modded cars, why not just go with a Fox notchback with a coyote and twins and save tons of money? Be way cheaper than starting with a an 18gt. And I assure you the guy that buys a demon doesn’t give two sh*ts about modifying a gt mustang as an alternative. Some people care about rarity and their car being worth something in 5 years.
 

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I am. If going fast in a straight line were still my primary focus, I'd buy a camaro or a new GT, put a warrantied dealer kit on it, have a FASTER car, that TURNS better, that BRAKES better AND have $30k to sit in my savings account in case the dealer warranty isn't as good as the corporate warranty.

Dodge (what's left of them) has REALLY mastered the marketing concept of slap a car with 20 year old technology and absolutely no R&D effort (to save weight, improve the motor, etc) and as long as they advertise high crank HP numbers and have a body shape that Mopar loyalists like, they'll sell cars. It's brilliant. Dodge bean counters and execs laugh all the way to the bank. A blown 6.2 liter on race fuel that makes 840? Welcome to 1990 technology. It revs like a tractor. Weighs as much as an SUV. But hey, it has a big 3 digit power number at the crank. Everything else is secondary.


How many 90's production cars were capable of 1100 whp on a stock longblock and blower? Or were capable of 9.1's with simple bolt ons? You may want to do a little research.

Fact is the hellcat/demon engines are far more capable from the factory than anything ford has produced to date including the 13/14 gt500.
 
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