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There is a real, clinical mental health disorder named Gender Dysphoria. It is a disease, not a social experiment and its not normal or okay.

When my grandfather started telling us that he could hear Nazi's planning an attack while listening to the toaster oven, at the beach house in Narraganset Rhode Island, we got him on Lithium. We didn't call the ****ing Pentagon.

Letting people pretend they are a chick or dude when they are not, doesn't help anyone. And frankly, the doctors taking advantage of people and doing the plastic surgery should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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Be whatever you want or whoever you want, but when you start using your condition as a crutch, you lose all credibility.

Being transgender, gay or lesbian or whatever the hell you are doesn't give you the right to have public emotional outbursts and behave that way. All that does is reinforce the public's perception that you have serious mental issues.
 
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All things considered you don't need to change your physical person to be masculine or feminine. You can be a man and dress "Fabulous", or a woman and be a card carrying manly man.

It's one thing to be an effeminate male or masculine female, it's another to live in a fantasy realm where you aren't what you are, and you try to be something you aren't. Maybe in a world where technology can better assist these people to transition flawlessly, sure, whatever do what you want. But in today's standards asking some random jabroni at Gamestop to treat you like a woman when you adams apple is twitching is waaayyy to far.
 
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MarcSpaz said:
There is a real, clinical mental health disorder named Gender Dysphoria. It is a disease, not a social experiment and its not normal or okay.

When my grandfather started telling us that he could hear Nazi's planning an attack while listening to the toaster oven, at the beach house in Narraganset Rhode Island, we got him on Lithium. We didn't call the ****ing Pentagon.

Letting people pretend they are a chick or dude when they are not, doesn't help anyone. And frankly, the doctors taking advantage of people and doing the plastic surgery should be ashamed of themselves.
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I had a debate a while back concerning gender assignment. I let my opponent lay out everything possible. This guy discussed science, culture, genetics, legality and so on. His goal was to outsmart me, not have a debate. So I used this to my advantage.

My response was framed in questions. The answers were great.

Me: If I wanted to identify as a chicken, would I be able to do so? Could I purchase a chicken costume, live in a chicken coup, eat chicken feed, and expect the chicken farmer to accept me as a chicken?

Opponent: You are not using a fair comparison. You are missing the point that needs to be established.

Me: How did I miss the point? I could have used any number of examples. Can I identify as a black woman? I'm clearly a white male, but I may not identify mentally with my gender or race. How about if I identify as a child or teenager; would you allow me to date your 16 year old daughter? Would you allow me to identify as a female teenager and have a slumber party at your house?

Opponent: You are slightly back on topic, but you are twisting things around in such a way that identifying as a pedophile is normal. You can't break a law to justify a gender or identity crisis.

Me: Why not; in my mind I identify as such, so therefore I should be treated in that manner. This is exactly what your entire statement stood for. You are willing to defend a person's stance until it conflicts with your moral standing.

Opponent: We aren't discussing morals.

Me: You just allowed your personal convictions judge my approach. That is morality.

So back to my original, less offensive question; can I be a chicken? Can I claim to lay eggs, and even hatch eggs that I cannot physically lay?

Opponent: This is absurd. You are refusing to debate.

Me: Would I be crazy for trying to identify as a chicken?

Opponent: Identifying as a chicken would be ruled as incompetent and psychologists and psychiatrists would deem you insane.

Me: So you are telling me that if I want to identify as something, or even someone, that I am not, that I would be mentally unstable and unfit to live in society?


End of conversation. There were no more rebuttals, questions, or witty remarks. My opponent just called the people he tried to stand for insane.

I really wanted more. I had so much more simple minded material in hand. A religious argument was expected from me. I didn't even touch religion. There was no need. I would have lost the debate. Instead I used my opponent's own logic.

Conclusion: Transgender people have a mental and moral condition.

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