51 Year Old Man Punches 12 Year Old Girl

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I guess the numerous videos and news stories where an older guy was set upon and beat to death by a pack of teenagers would play no part in the decision process would it? I don't blame the guy and If I were on the jury, absent of some really hard evidence that he had it out for this kid or provoked her in some way he would be getting off with a Thank you for your service.

guess i'll have to be the voice of reason here...

1. Call the cops and move along. There was no way for this situation to end well once he intervened since you can't put hands on a minor. Common sense would eliminate 99% of these types of cases.

2. Best case scenario he gets a misdemeanor, community service, probation, etc and no time served. Regardless at that point he will have a criminal record and this will likely impact his present or future employment. Hope he has some money saved.

3. Worst case scenario he gets a felony assault conviction and has to do some HARD time in federal pound me in the @ss prison. You simply can't throw a haymaker on a child in this country for ANY REASON. This isnt afghanistan or saudi arabia. Either way his life takes a bad turn from here. :rolleyes:

4. I got my @ss whipped several times by my parents when i was growing up for various reasons. But they were @ss whippings, not abuse. I was either paddled with their hands, a switch or a belt. Regardless of how bad i was or how mad i made my father he never hit me a closed fist. There is a clear difference from discipline and abuse.

5. LOL at anyone who thinks this was "self defense." This was street justice plain and simple. You could argue she deserved it but that won't save him. There is no scenario where a 200lb adult male can KO a 11yr old kid (especially a girl) and not face legal consequences. In fact, even if she were a 300lb wildebeest as a man you have to know that you cannot put your hands on a female. With today's political climate and gender rights movement i doubt you could even shove a woman and get away with it.

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This American Hero was the one who sought out the police. After the knock out the herd moved on, my guess is many were known trouble makers or had warrants. The man asked security to call police, and he even came forward at the scene as an upstanding citizen even after the mob left.
 

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Girl came at the guy with both fists up in a fighting pose... and got knocked the F out.

Agreed but unfortunately I highly doubt a jury will see it this way. That giant knocking out a minor will not go over well in court. Frankly he could have taken on the whole group/gang unless they had some type of weapon(s). She had it coming but I don't see it ending well for this guy.
 

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Agreed but unfortunately I highly doubt a jury will see it this way. That giant knocking out a minor will not go over well in court. Frankly he could have taken on the whole group/gang unless they had some type of weapon(s). She had it coming but I don't see it ending well for this guy.

I don’t agree, this is a clear cut for self defense as you can get. He rescued a black girl who was getting jumped by a gang of thugs (security did nothing) helped her try to escape, the mob follows him to another area of the mall, then surround him and his family. He was trying to reason with them until he was shoved and threatened with violence. He acted at just the right time, as a gang of thugs like that no matter their age could have easily ganged up on him and caused unspeakable harm. The minute he took her out, they dispersed and he flagged down a cop and told his sorry even after everyone left, this was before the cell phone footage. He was charged with a few misdemeanors, he will get off no charges, and I would personally contribute to a gofunme or contribution direct to his family if this causes them any financial distress.

If anything we should riot if the guy gets anything other then a pat on the back and a handshake.
 

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Is her head still round? Looks like he killed her.

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I don't recommend punching a child, but in this case the man defended himself. The group of girls, for whatever reason, were not backing off.

The first assault was when the man was pushed.

Now the man has full reason to be on alert. No one knows if any of those children are armed with a weapon of any type.

The girl that appeared to shove the man stepped up again, and the man pushed her back to clear space.

The child retaliated with her hands up in an aggressive manner. The man acted defensively and removed the threat.

Open and closed case if you ask me.



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I just don’t understand what had to be going through everyones mind in that situation.

There’s debate about whether he was breaking up a fight, or intervening on someones behalf, either way... it went south quickly.

The crowd is all fun and games before he shoves the girl, and not one if her companions thought they ought to step in as she’s stumbling backwards.
And wtf is going through her mind going at a dude 3x her size?

Guy’s probably going to get smacked with some misdemeanor charges while the crowd of idiots skates it off as being survivors of a hate crime.
She was clearly not intimidated. She was aggressive toward that man three times. His little shove should have been a wake up call. She refused to back down and approached aggressively again.

There was likely no way for the man to know the child's age. There was no parent to be seen. It was one on many, and he targeted the primary aggressor in self defense.

I'm sure the parents are outraged and calling for this guy's head. They should have taught their little princess manners and courtesy.

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This was here in Asheville. My neice was there and saw everything that happened. Theres a better, longer video that shows the guy being hit. His story is he was there with his family, saw a girl getting jumped by 15 girls and he stepped in to help her. I think hes a hero, and the community here sees him pretty much the same, even though he was charged.

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They can charge him, but I don't see a jury, or even a judge in a bench trial letting those charges stick.

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She was clearly not intimidated. She was aggressive toward that man three times. His little shove should have been a wake up call. She refused to back down and approached aggressively again.

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Where was that voice in the back of her mind that said, “Abort! This dude that weighs mire than twice what I do just launched me across the sidewalk with minimal effort. Do not engage.”?

I mean damn. Either fearless, or just naive and assumed he wouldn’t touch her?
 

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Its a shitty thing this guy will have to go through. I completely understand what he did and why, and I personally see no problems with it. I am married to a teacher and she was grabbed on the wrists by a 4th grade boy and couldnt get free and had some bruising from it. The boy has discipline and temper issues and a few other problems, his mother just dismisses it as being just a kid. I would have thrown the little ****er through the window, dont mess with my family.
The guy tried to do right and he corrected a wrong. The mob kids parents need a talking to and possibly similar corrections to them as well.
Is your wife like 90lbs or something and doesn't have ounce of muscle on her. A 4th grader doesn't possess enough strength to keep a grown woman from breaking free.
 

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I don’t agree, this is a clear cut for self defense as you can get. He rescued a black girl who was getting jumped by a gang of thugs (security did nothing) helped her try to escape, the mob follows him to another area of the mall, then surround him and his family. He was trying to reason with them until he was shoved and threatened with violence. He acted at just the right time, as a gang of thugs like that no matter their age could have easily ganged up on him and caused unspeakable harm. The minute he took her out, they dispersed and he flagged down a cop and told his sorry even after everyone left, this was before the cell phone footage. He was charged with a few misdemeanors, he will get off no charges, and I would personally contribute to a gofunme or contribution direct to his family if this causes them any financial distress.

If anything we should riot if the guy gets anything other then a pat on the back and a handshake.


Is there an extended vid somewhere?
 

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Is there an extended vid somewhere?

His statement and others have said he was in border book store, saw a fight outside the mall, one group ganged up on a single female. He went over to help break it up, and was escorting the victim out another entrance when he was surrounded by the mob, much like the original victim was, with the primary aggressor being the thug he knocked out.
 

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As bad as it sounds. That is why i stand back and call the cops. No need to step into some shit concerning another race that will just get my white ass thrown in jail.

Edit: because it is a hate crime as soon as a white man get involved
If I saw a girl being abused by 15 other girls I would step in. I will gladly place my hands behind my back, accept the cuffs, quote my own Mirada rights, and head to the back seat of the nearest cruiser. I'm not going to let that type of abuse take place.

Each and every one of those children need to face charges, and their parents likely do as well.

I have two daughters, and they both know how to set aside their entitled princess tiara and throw a punch. They also know how to use any weapon in reach (rock, keys, etc) to insert into the closest eye, throat, artery, or groin as needed. They also understand that elbows and knees strike hard, and can take out an opponent. Hesitation is your enemy. Keep your eyes open and watch the body of the opponent to act accordingly (duck, block, faint, attack, and so on).

If you ask me, a little girl can be dangerous if taught and trained to defend one's self.

As much as I teach my kids self defense, I also teach them to walk away from trouble when possible. Walking away is not being a coward. Don't start any problems, and you will likely be fine. If you cannot walk away; WIN AT ALL COSTS.

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