What to do with the homeless?

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I really wish I didn't teach you guys what a "foamer" was lol.

On topic.

The homeless need help. By help I don't mean "safe spaces" to shoot up and supervised injections but actual help.

They need rehab, mental health counseling, jobs, etc. Give them the tough love they need and a chance to contribute to society. If they can't or choose not to then put them in a cage when they inevitably break the law.

You cannot just round them up and put them into institutions.
You can't force them to get treatment or force them to work.
They have the same rights as you and I, right?

So if they do NOT want your help, what can you do?
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You nailed it Booky. The greater majority in the homeless community don’t want help.
 

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Yup I missed this in my late night math.

However you continue to overlook the fact that the owner of the home gets the benefit of LIVING IN IT for 30 years. Also, the bank has property taxes, employment taxes, payroll for employees, income tax, and other costs to run the business... such as its own borrowing costs for the money it's lending out.

Am I super happy about everything the government spends money on? Hell no! Plenty actually is 100% against what I'd do if I were dictator for life. That's just life. Deal with it. I'm about to write a check to the IRS for $20k for my 4th quarter estimated taxes. Am I happy? On one hand, yes! I'm super happy that I pay more in income tax now than I made in an entire year the year I met my wife. On the other, no! I'd love to have that tax money to spend on myself and my kids.

I've been working 16-18 hour days, 7 days a week for the past 4 months building my own company. Atlas hasn't shrugged yet...

The bank and the government will take your house if you don't pay, which is how most end up homeless.

If the government only took taxes that were absolutely necessary, more people could keep their homes. If the banks charged a reasonable interest, and got rid of stupid fees like PMI and closing costs, people and families could live better lives.

And you justify it because the bank has its own fees and taxes? Please bro, those expenses are peanuts to them.

If you want to fix the homeless, help the people on the other end, and stop worrying about the addicts.
 

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For the most part, the homeless fall into three categories (each with their own issues).

1. The Mentally Ill - closure of the "state hospital" system turned thousands of these people out on the streets. The ones that don't end up in prison are typically on the streets. These people are likely not going to be able to function in society without supervision no matter what you do. We need more institutes to house them.

2. The Addicted - much like the mentally ill, but can be cleaned up. Stop putting addicts in jail, involuntarily commit them to a rehab and retraining program. Teach them to take care of themselves.

3. People Fallen on Hard Times - Where social welfare systems actually should be directed instead of the willfully generationally impoverished. Aid and retrain these people. A lot of people just need some life coaching on how to handle money and a little opportunity.
 

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For the most part, the homeless fall into three categories (each with their own issues).

1. The Mentally Ill - closure of the "state hospital" system turned thousands of these people out on the streets. The ones that don't end up in prison are typically on the streets. These people are likely not going to be able to function in society without supervision no matter what you do. We need more institutes to house them.

2. The Addicted - much like the mentally ill, but can be cleaned up. Stop putting addicts in jail, involuntarily commit them to a rehab and retraining program. Teach them to take care of themselves.

3. People Fallen on Hard Times - Where social welfare systems actually should be directed instead of the willfully generationally impoverished. Aid and retrain these people. A lot of people just need some life coaching on how to handle money and a little opportunity.

Good points and solutions Travis.
 

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The bank and the government will take your house if you don't pay, which is how most end up homeless.

If the government only took taxes that were absolutely necessary, more people could keep their homes. If the banks charged a reasonable interest, and got rid of stupid fees like PMI and closing costs, people and families could live better lives.

And you justify it because the bank has its own fees and taxes? Please bro, those expenses are peanuts to them.

If you want to fix the homeless, help the people on the other end, and stop worrying about the addicts.

Let us know when you move to Venezuela / Cuba / etc. and how that works out for you...
 

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The bank and the government will take your house if you don't pay, which is how most end up homeless.

That's simply not true. Most people wind up homeless via a series of piss poor choices, and/or addiction caused by themselves.

If the government only took taxes that were absolutely necessary, more people could keep their homes. If the banks charged a reasonable interest, and got rid of stupid fees like PMI and closing costs, people and families could live better lives.

I agree the government takes way too much in taxes. But the laws are readily available for anyone to read. People should know, or have a pretty good idea, how much money they'll lose to taxes each pay period. That makes it pretty easy to plan your budget. Regardless, that's not a cause of people losing their homes. Rather, people making horrible choices in the form of buying houses beyond their budget, and accepting mortgage terms that unfavorable just to get in a house.
 

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That's simply not true. Most people wind up homeless via a series of piss poor choices, and/or addiction caused by themselves.



I agree the government takes way too much in taxes. But the laws are readily available for anyone to read. People should know, or have a pretty good idea, how much money they'll lose to taxes each pay period. That makes it pretty easy to plan your budget. Regardless, that's not a cause of people losing their homes. Rather, people making horrible choices in the form of buying houses beyond their budget, and accepting mortgage terms that unfavorable just to get in a house.

Unfavorable mortgage terms. So we agree that the banks don't offer people favorable terms? Well why wouldn't they be nice and offer fair rates to everyone? They're already getting their PMI, and the house as collateral. Well they know how desperate people get.

The government makes a lot of tax money off of people losing their jobs and having to move.
 

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I’m in Colorado Springs and they are terrible here too. Locals say there is a bus that takes them from Denver and drops them off here for a free meal, and then leave them here. Not sure how true that is , but they are terrible in Denver and Colorado Springs!


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Denver, Boulder, and Fort Collins have seen a large increase in vagrants. Between handouts, authorities looking the other way, and weed we have more and more from all over.

The bank and the government will take your house if you don't pay, which is how most end up homeless.
Bullshit! Post up the stats on home owners being the majority of the homeless.

This is the dumbest thing I've seen today, and that's saying a lot as I've read KB threads.
America needs to reopen mental institutions. The simple fact is that the government got involved in the business of mental health and shockingly, pause for sarcasm, homelessness reared its ugly head.
Yup, closing facilities and just handing them pills and putting them on the streets didn't solve anything.
 

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best way to help the homeless is to ignore them. Those that give money to people they believe is homeless just encourages them. If someone is content being homeless let them be.

This coming from someone who used to be homeless.
 

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WTF are you talking about? The people you're talking about that they search out are employed, receive a W-2, and therefore, are on the radar of the IRS. They most certainly do NOT search out homeless people that have no job and therefore owe no taxes.

No, they seek out the non W-2 self employed that dodge taxes.

The people with W-2s on the borderline of being homeless deserve to have automatic refunds. They're the ones that need less burden.

The homeless/welfare are not sought after by the IRS. But they do stimulate local economies/state governments because they spend their money.
 

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Unfavorable mortgage terms. So we agree that the banks don't offer people favorable terms? Well why wouldn't they be nice and offer fair rates to everyone? They're already getting their PMI, and the house as collateral. Well they know how desperate people get.

Banks offer terms that are either more, or less favorable to borrowers. It's up to the borrower to make the correct choice. Banks don't offer the "nice" rate to everyone because not all borrowers are of equal risk to the bank. There's this thing called a credit score. I'm sure you've heard of it.

You seem to think everyone is entitled to a home, and furthermore, a mortgage on said home at the best rates available, all out the goodness of the bank's heart. Sorry, but banks are in business to make money. It's up to consumers to minimized the amount the banks take from them, the same as any other business they deal with.

The government makes a lot of tax money off of people losing their jobs and having to move.

Ummm.....what? I've moved dozens of times, and never had to pay anything to the government to do it. Could you stop fabricating lies?

No, they seek out the non W-2 self employed that dodge taxes.

So, to be clear, you're OK with people that dodge taxes, i.e. break the law? You don't want the IRS to go after them? I don't like paying taxes, but I don't want to be a criminal, so I pay them anyhow.
 
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No, they seek out the non W-2 self employed that dodge taxes.

The people with W-2s on the borderline of being homeless deserve to have automatic refunds. They're the ones that need less burden.

The homeless/welfare are not sought after by the IRS. But they do stimulate local economies/state governments because they spend their money.
WTF?

Those who are "borderline homeless" (low income) don't pay taxes, and typically get a refund. Ever hear of earned income credit?

It's obvious you're blatantly lying.
 

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WTF?

Those who are "borderline homeless" (low income) don't pay taxes, and typically get a refund. Ever hear of earned income credit?

It's obvious you're blatantly lying.
I think the young Jedi needs to check his sources.
 

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