Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

MarcSpaz · Dec 16, 2018

BlksvtCobra01 said:
You act like this site is dead, it’s not maybe if you just didn’t come here to troll it wouldn’t seem that way.

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I'm no fan of Kaneda's... but where did that come from? I didn't get the impression he was saying the site is dead. Just that the member's have been waiting long enough for definitive specs on the car.

03cobra#694 · Dec 16, 2018

Stop reporting him. He's not getting banned, he's a fun troll.

BlksvtCobra01 · Dec 16, 2018

MarcSpaz said:
I'm no fan of Kaneda's... but where did that come from? I didn't get the impression he was saying the site is dead. Just that the member's have been waiting long enough for definitive specs on the car.

Just how I take it from someone who just trolls here. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one.

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Snoopy49 · Dec 16, 2018

Kaneda is probably going to be one of the first members to actually buy the new GT500.

Tob · Dec 16, 2018

Laser deposition or 3D printed aluminum (based) rotors? I would never have believed it but Ford looks to have filed for a patent on it. And I'm not just talking about the hat but rather much of the ring as well. I'm still fairly certain the GT500 will use an SHW two-piece rotor similar to the one used in the GT350 but I suppose if any car could use a light(er) weight rotor it would be the GT500. Patent sounds encouraging but I'm not convinced that these can handle the potential temperatures generated in a typical track outing, etc. I'd love to see Ford pull it off though and be able to further lightweight in search of improved performance.

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5.2Leader · Dec 16, 2018

Kaneda’s skinny jeans are a bit too tight!

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csc427 · Dec 17, 2018

Voltwings said:
I track on a fairly regular basis and am involved with people who track their mustangs on a fairly regular basis, so yes, from first hand experience that is exactly what I am saying. I know a guy who runs upwards of 500 whp and replaces ball joints every other weekend while running slicks. What you guys also fail to realize is that the stickier tires needed to handle this kind of mass also put more load and stress into components.

And no one is saying this car will not perform, no one is saying it will fall apart the second it hits a corner, but the fact of the matter is it IS heavy and heavy will always stress parts when tasked with acceleration, deceleration, turning, etc.

Again, this is basic physics and common sense, it really isn't debatable...

Not at all what I was saying. You make it sound like the extra weight of this car is going to make people who track the car have to replace suspension parts so often that it’ll be pointless to own. My question was if the heavier 13 GT500 had to replace ball joints, bushings, etc far more common than a 13 gt?

csc427 · Dec 17, 2018

Voltwings said:
I track on a fairly regular basis and am involved with people who track their mustangs on a fairly regular basis, so yes, from first hand experience that is exactly what I am saying. I know a guy who runs upwards of 500 whp and replaces ball joints every other weekend while running slicks. What you guys also fail to realize is that the stickier tires needed to handle this kind of mass also put more load and stress into components.

And no one is saying this car will not perform, no one is saying it will fall apart the second it hits a corner, but the fact of the matter is it IS heavy and heavy will always stress parts when tasked with acceleration, deceleration, turning, etc.

Again, this is basic physics and common sense, it really isn't debatable...

And I did very well in physics, guess I’m lacking common sense. I just can’t see having to replace suspension components in this car at a great rate vs the GT350. We are talking adding what, est 300 pounds? With the car built to handle that extra weight with beefed up parts, not just randomly added to the trunk or nose of a gt350.

rwleonard · Dec 17, 2018

Here we go. Which would you rather have, assuming the same price. A GT500 with around 35% more hp than the GT350, or the GT350 with say, 20% less weight?

It apparently costs a lot more to shed weight than it does to increase power. Probably easier to market power, too.

DBK · Dec 17, 2018

rwleonard said:
It apparently costs a lot more to shed weight than it does to increase power. Probably easier to market power, too.

Very much so on both counts.

Voltwings · Dec 17, 2018

csc427 said:
And I did very well in physics, guess I’m lacking common sense. I just can’t see having to replace suspension components in this car at a great rate vs the GT350. We are talking adding what, est 300 pounds? With the car built to handle that extra weight with beefed up parts, not just randomly added to the trunk or nose of a gt350.

Again, you're only thinking 1 dimensional with regard to weight. It's not just weight, it's weight, plus speed (from the additional horsepower presumably) + added load from the sticker tires (which are made necessary by the weight and speed). This is by no means the exact same scenario as a GT350 + 300 lbs. Hell, you can put a GT on slicks with no additional HP or weight and break things on a road course. Again, parts can be made beefier, sure, but that again adds more weight, and the cycle continues. Besides, something will ALWAYS give, there is always a week point. We're getting completely off topic of even the original point of this thread of the discussion though.

csc427 said:
Not at all what I was saying. You make it sound like the extra weight of this car is going to make people who track the car have to replace suspension parts so often that it’ll be pointless to own. My question was if the heavier 13 GT500 had to replace ball joints, bushings, etc far more common than a 13 gt?

Again, yes. But also again, it's a factor of HP, weight, and presumably stickier tires to handle both.

csc427 · Dec 17, 2018

DBK said:
Very much so on both counts.

Absolutely it does

csc427 · Dec 17, 2018

Voltwings said:
Again, you're only thinking 1 dimensional with regard to weight. It's not just weight, it's weight, plus speed (from the additional horsepower presumably) + added load from the sticker tires (which are made necessary by the weight and speed). This is by no means the exact same scenario as a GT350 + 300 lbs. Hell, you can put a GT on slicks with no additional HP or weight and break things on a road course. Again, parts can be made beefier, sure, but that again adds more weight, and the cycle continues. Besides, something will ALWAYS give, there is always a week point. We're getting completely off topic of even the original point of this thread of the discussion though.

Again, yes. But also again, it's a factor of HP, weight, and presumably stickier tires to handle both.

I agree with what you’re saying. All I’m saying is we’ve been at these weights for years. This car won’t be much heavier than a 13-14 GT500. And those cars weren’t ripping ball joints out left and right. I want the car to be lighter and understand that it makes every aspect of driving better. I just don’t think the weight will be a detriment to tracking the car. Sorry to get off topic.

Tob · Dec 17, 2018

The Factor of Safety for given suspension hardware won't be compromised or lowered. Inertia and heat have to be managed successfully with this beast and I entrust the vehicle dynamics team and those at Ford Powertrain (etc) to impress in this regard.

biminiLX · Dec 18, 2018

DBK said:
Very much so on both counts.

I've seen that Brotherhood of Muscle ad once or twice.
SRT may do it the "easy" way, but I can't say I blame them.
And as Tob said, I have faith in the Ford engineers.
Just release the beast already!
-J

IcebourgGT500 · Dec 18, 2018

TOB, thanks for all the info on the patents !!! Keep up the great work !!!

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Tob · Dec 18, 2018

I keep looking and I'd think it would come soon, the ornamental design patent (or application) for the GT500.

Tob · Dec 18, 2018

Just found the 2019 GT350 rear spoiler publication.

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DBK · Dec 18, 2018

If you're interested in Bronco stuff...

US Patent for Doors off storage Patent (Patent # 10,150,420 issued December 11, 2018) - Justia Patents Search

Tob · Dec 18, 2018

Thanks for that DBK. The sketch shown is the most revealing I've seen to date for the Bronco.

Sketches are here..
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