Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

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Ford, like all the OEM's, wants as much control as possible. That means managing airflow both above and below the hood. In reading the application I get the sense from Ford's careful wording that the vehicle operator will have the ability to remove the tray say, for a track day, etc. They like to use the word "degradation" a lot and that makes sense given the proximity of the vents and the area near or above the engine. Whether these issues would be spark, corrosion over time, "shock" from cool water being poured on certain areas of the engine over time, the reduced ability to control specific thermal windows that may form the basis of PCM logic, it makes sense that it wouldn't be as simple as assuming there is always a benefit to having the vents being unobstructed.


Ok, I'm guessing this is just an open vent and not ducted C7 style. That makes more sense in that case I suppose.
 

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After 50+ pages of patents Ford has received or applied for I've had enough for the day.:) THE most intriguing may be this one that I admit, caught me off guard...

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Get the **** out of here with this shit. This is the last thing I want the government mandating at some point. So subtle you won't even know it's there.

I think Ford is trolling. To me, this reads as a system that gauges how much fun the driver/occupants are having. LOL That won't be seeing the light of day in a street car anytime soon. Maybe for a simulator.

I have to say, these patent documents have the techy side of me all aroused. Now, stuff like this goes toward explaining why it's so porky. Ford needs to HIGHLIGHT that info on the release, not "oooh, look at these plush, ventilated seats, Android Auto/Apple Carplay, wifi hotspot, and fancy color-changing interior lights!"

All those active aero bits are reminding me of my thread about my GT500 predictions. Once again, people tried to act like I was crazy. Now here we are! And the haters wonder why I don't pay their BS any attention... Anyway, the active brake cooling is pretty awesome. The first(?) time we saw that on a street car was on the Ferrari F12. (Or was it the 599? Pretty sure it was the F12, though.) Thank goodness Ford is continuing to make the [top end] Mustang a world class sports car. I still wish they'd do more to get the weight in check, though. At any rate, I'm intrigued again for the performance technology alone. I can only imagine what the next ZL1 is going to be like, though!

I wonder what kind of revs the engine will have. I predict 7800 without the need/use of a temporary overrev feature like the '13/'14 GT500 had.
 

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I think Ford is trolling. To me, this reads as a system that gauges how much fun the driver/occupants are having. LOL That won't be seeing the light of day in a street car anytime soon. Maybe for a simulator.

I have to say, these patent documents have the techy side of me all aroused. Now, stuff like this goes toward explaining why it's so porky. Ford needs to HIGHLIGHT that info on the release, not "oooh, look at these plush, ventilated seats, Android Auto/Apple Carplay, wifi hotspot, and fancy color-changing interior lights!"

All those active aero bits are reminding me of my thread about my GT500 predictions. Once again, people tried to act like I was crazy. Now here we are! And the haters wonder why I don't pay their BS any attention... Anyway, the active brake cooling is pretty awesome. The first(?) time we saw that on a street car was on the Ferrari F12. (Or was it the 599? Pretty sure it was the F12, though.) Thank goodness Ford is continuing to make the [top end] Mustang a world class sports car. I still wish they'd do more to get the weight in check, though. At any rate, I'm intrigued again for the performance technology alone. I can only imagine what the next ZL1 is going to be like, though!

I wonder what kind of revs the engine will have. I predict 7800 without the need/use of a temporary overrev feature like the '13/'14 GT500 had.

That only allows for a max pulley ratio of 2.31. Think the blower can produce enough boost at that ratio?
 

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I have to say, these patent documents have the techy side of me all aroused. Now, stuff like this goes toward explaining why it's so porky. Ford needs to HIGHLIGHT that info on the release, not "oooh, look at these plush, ventilated seats, Android Auto/Apple Carplay, wifi hotspot, and fancy color-changing interior lights!"

All those active aero bits are reminding me of my thread about my GT500 predictions. Once again, people tried to act like I was crazy. Now here we are! And the haters wonder why I don't pay their BS any attention... Anyway, the active brake cooling is pretty awesome. The first(?) time we saw that on a street car was on the Ferrari F12. (Or was it the 599? Pretty sure it was the F12, though.) Thank goodness Ford is continuing to make the [top end] Mustang a world class sports car. I still wish they'd do more to get the weight in check, though. At any rate, I'm intrigued again for the performance technology alone. I can only imagine what the next ZL1 is going to be like, though!

Please. This reads like a giant pre-emptive backtracking. The car is *much* heavier than your threshold of acceptability, and it ain't because of electrically actuated flaps.

Do you really think or believe Ford is, was or has ever "highlighted" plush ventilated seats on a high performance Mustang? Come on. They teased the blower case, not LED lighting. The car is a 700+ hp track monster they've blown an astronomical amount of money developing. They don't spend that money building this kind of thing because they really care about telling you about CarPlay.
 

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All this track stuff is pretty cool.

I’m just curious if they’ll have a neanderthal version for the primitive GT500 fans. Maybe one that sheds some of the fancy track performance do-hickeys for weight savings that benefits a straight line focus.





...and might sneak in under 65,000

...dear Santa...
 

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Please. This reads like a giant pre-emptive backtracking. The car is *much* heavier than your threshold of acceptability, and it ain't because of electrically actuated flaps.

Do you really think or believe Ford is, was or has ever "highlighted" plush ventilated seats on a high performance Mustang? Come on. They teased the blower case, not LED lighting. The car is a 700+ hp track monster they've blown an astronomical amount of money developing. They don't spend that money building this kind of thing because they really care about telling you about CarPlay.

Read it however you want. I said I was intrigued by the performance technology. "Backtracking" isn't my thing.
 

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All this track stuff is pretty cool.

I’m just curious if they’ll have a neanderthal version for the primitive GT500 fans. Maybe one that sheds some of the fancy track performance do-hickeys for weight savings that benefits a straight line focus.





...and might sneak in under 65,000

...dear Santa...

I'm with you. I hope there is a drag version for those who want a purely straight line drag car but IDK if we will get it. Regardless I think this car is going to be sick. Can't wait to see/drive one.
 

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Please. This reads like a giant pre-emptive backtracking. The car is *much* heavier than your threshold of acceptability, and it ain't because of electrically actuated flaps.

Do you really think or believe Ford is, was or has ever "highlighted" plush ventilated seats on a high performance Mustang? Come on. They teased the blower case, not LED lighting. The car is a 700+ hp track monster they've blown an astronomical amount of money developing. They don't spend that money building this kind of thing because they really care about telling you about CarPlay.

He is good at back pedaling and such. He is out anyway weighs to much for him.


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Read it however you want. I said I was intrigued by the performance technology. "Backtracking" isn't my thing.

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Just an example and I as well as others on here have seen it before.





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Active aero is going to add weight to the car. Motors, actuators, linkage, wiring, switches, it all adds up.

Yep! You got it! Not to mention the parts themselves and the braces required to hold them. It adds up quickly.
 

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Just sux with all this extra weight. I’m sure it’s gonna be super slow in a straight line and not be way faster than its competition...really wish they could make it turn fast AND go straight fast.
 

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It’ll run 10’s at 132-135+. I have zero doubt. If I’m wrong, oh well, it’s just a strong opinion of a future car. 4000lbs, 750hp, and a dct is very quick. It’s not rip your face off 2000hp 1500lbs quick, but it’s moving out. The hellcat has the nose of a snow plow aerodynamically speaking and the zl1 1le and z06 have the downforce of a race car. Always.

Decent to great hero runs in the 662hp manual car we’re almost in the 10’s at almost 130 at 3900lbs. Worse weight distribution/launch/tires etc

The 2020 car will be fast. I bet the active aero can be set for a high speed mode. Where a z06 or zl1 1le has weak top end for the power, set this car to high speed and let it eat. Easy 200mph car, easy high trapping car. Maybe 214+ top speed. The gt hits 217 with 650hp for comparison. Would you rather freeway roll in a car with fixed or active aero?

DBK said this car will be a great car for the beep beep beep wot crowd. That was a clue that it would have great high speed acceleration imo.

Shooting in the dark but I can’t be the only person thinking of those possibilities. These guys built a car in 2 years that won Le Mans and keeps on winning. Twice now
 
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I thought it was lazy engineering and a boatload of compromises.

So did I. Now I see some actual engineering went into it. Amazing how concrete information can change a person's perspective.
 

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I don't believe Ford trolls when it comes to R&D and the time, effort, and money it takes to secure a patent. They felt it a worthy project and followed it through. That said, I don't want it in any car I own. Ever.:)


Active aero is going to add weight to the car. Motors, actuators, linkage, wiring, switches, it all adds up.

Yep! You got it! Not to mention the parts themselves and the braces required to hold them. It adds up quickly.

Actually, I believe just the opposite. These systems are usually well integrated into existing and surrounding framework. The components aren't being tasked with handling engine torque or brake torque and as such can be as light as possible while still being as robust as they need to be.

Weight has to be shed somewhere, I admit. No doubt there will be incremental savings here and there but there has to be something fairly major that hasn't been hinted at yet.
 

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I’m thinking Ford is going to introduce some new technology and this is the platform they will use. But I don’t think Ford will use this platform to introduce some new technology. The car will be over 4000lbs so I’m out. But I’m a buyer because of the technology that puts the car over 4000lbs. It seems Ford engineers were lazy with this car. Ford engineers have probably worked tirelessly to ensure it’s an amazing car and I applaud thier efforts ;)
 

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