Will be quite odd if he’s wrong on all details about this car. Model year, weight, power plant, transmission. Based on your posts, I’m guessing he is. Lol
Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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Will they be bringing the car to Road Atlanta for a media event next year?
Asking for a friend....
Asking for a friend....
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I don’t understand dep?
You posted when it was going to be revealed.
Then you again posted when it was going to be revealed.
Then you again posted when it was going to be revealed.
DBK said you were wrong each time. And DBK was right each time. Yet you still doubt him?
You posted when it was going to be revealed.
Then you again posted when it was going to be revealed.
Then you again posted when it was going to be revealed.
DBK said you were wrong each time. And DBK was right each time. Yet you still doubt him?
I'm telling you guys now BLACK HOLES do exist.
One question DBK---do you think it will be sub 4000#, even if only 39xx?
I completely understand all added to the 3800# GT350 will test that limit, and that the numbers will speak for themselves despite the weight.
Just hoping it's not the first 2-ton SVT Mustang.
-J
I completely understand all added to the 3800# GT350 will test that limit, and that the numbers will speak for themselves despite the weight.
Just hoping it's not the first 2-ton SVT Mustang.
-J
With a blower, DCT, larger diameter rotors, bigger calipers, 20" wheels/tires, and a vast network of coolers/lines/hoses/fluid, a boatload of luxury options, I don't see how you get it under 4,000lbs even with CF wheels and a possible RSD. Unless Ford built the cost in with some interesting lightweighting elsewhere...
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I would say a ZL1 on lighter alpha underpinnings is 3944...
Get rid of the boatload of luxury options. It's not a luxury car. It doesn't need and shouldn't have luxury options. Ditch the luxury bloat, make manually adjustable seats standard, use more lightweight body panels, integrate the carbon composite k-member they've been working on, use more aluminum in the suspension bits, etc. Ford could have easily gotten the weight down. If they didn't, it's purely because of lazy engineering and/or stingy bean counters. Amortized over thousands of vehicles, the cost impact wouldn't be that much to the customer. And let's face it, the people spending big bucks for a top end Mustang would gladly pay a bit more for a better engineered car. I'm not buying the excuses for the weight. If it comes in at 4200 lbs, I'm not buying the car. If I "have" to buy a land barge, it might as well be a luxury sport sedan. (Hello, M5/E63 S/S6! (Don't like the RS7.))
Most buyers want those options....
The problem is at that price range most, not all, buyers want the luxury items. If it comes with a base stereo and manual seats, I feel that people would look elsewhere. There’s no reason you can’t have luxury and performance. You’re playing at a price point where there are quite a bit of formidable alternatives that perform, or can be made to perform, just as well. At these power levels, 100 extra pounds isn’t the end of the world. Totally agree with lightweight components, just not sure where that pushes the price.
Another one.
Can't say I didn't try. Tell me what luxury options they should get rid of. You want to drive around a non-AC car? You think anyone wants to buy a no-AC no-radio car? That's like 10-15% of buyers tops, and more like 1% of actual drivers. Remove the body panels entirely and the thing wouldn't be under 3800 lbs.
You are grossly misunderstanding how easy it is to shave weight. OEMs search for grams, not pounds. Corvette ZR1 has a shit load of carbon fiber, is sized for two less seats, a much lighter starting point and you can easily make one $130,000 and real close to 3700 lbs.
This is the price of admission. If you accept the fact you're buying an FMVSS-compliant supercharged car that actually works on a track, you know it's going to be heavy, period. It's definitely going to be heavy in the price bracket Mustangs exist in. To believe otherwise is to engage in magical thinking.
Can't say I didn't try. Tell me what luxury options they should get rid of. You want to drive around a non-AC car? You think anyone wants to buy a no-AC no-radio car? That's like 10-15% of buyers tops, and more like 1% of actual drivers. Remove the body panels entirely and the thing wouldn't be under 3800 lbs.
You are grossly misunderstanding how easy it is to shave weight. OEMs search for grams, not pounds. Corvette ZR1 has a shit load of carbon fiber, is sized for two less seats, a much lighter starting point and you can easily make one $130,000 and real close to 3700 lbs.
This is the price of admission. If you accept the fact you're buying an FMVSS-compliant supercharged car that actually works on a track, you know it's going to be heavy, period. It's definitely going to be heavy in the price bracket Mustangs exist in. To believe otherwise is to engage in magical thinking.
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It’ll tow a “Camaor” just like the 428 cobra jet could tow an ss 396.
Start with a gt350, which already almost beats a zl1 around a wide easy track like big willow.
Add 250hp(+?) and further improve consistency with the dct. Put emphasis on getting power down, set it up for mid to high rpm power, not low end grunt. Gear it to spin 7500rpm often.
Let it weigh 4000lbs or a hair under. Won’t matter.
GTR’s weigh a lot too. So do new Z06’s.
Start with a gt350, which already almost beats a zl1 around a wide easy track like big willow.
Add 250hp(+?) and further improve consistency with the dct. Put emphasis on getting power down, set it up for mid to high rpm power, not low end grunt. Gear it to spin 7500rpm often.
Let it weigh 4000lbs or a hair under. Won’t matter.
GTR’s weigh a lot too. So do new Z06’s.
I took over 200 lbs out of my GT500, and it still has all the stock body panels, navigation, radio, sound deadening, etc. and the only piece of "exotic" material I used is a carbon fiber driveshaft. I'm still not buying the excuses for the new GT500 weighing 2 tons. There are massive (pun intended) amounts of areas Ford could've shaved weight and not driven the price through the roof.
And for the guy who's concerned, it'll still be "light" enough for a Cayenne Turbo S to tow it.
I hope it has one of dem exotic carbon fiber driveshafts.
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Yes, and that's a disingenuous comparison right off the bat because 54 lbs of it came from switching the wheels. You aren't going to lose 54 lbs switching from a CF wheel unless you want to drive on the rotors. (not recommended)
I thought I saw the 15 and up zo6 is just under 3100.
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Stop lying.
As soon as they slam a $50k ADM on these suckers you'll be all over one just like a hog on slop.
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Somebody has to keep this economy going now, don't they? And it's not the broke ass haters.
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