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No amount of need to "protect my Constitutional Rights" is going to make me want to risk my family's safety, and that of peace officers just doing their jobs.

If someone flags me (not that this law will EVER pass in AZ):
  1. I'll hand them over peacefully.
  2. Find out why and what I did to get flagged.
  3. If justified, maybe seek help?
  4. If bad call or prank? I get rich suing someone.
  5. If bad law or application of the law? See #4.
Things I won't do:
  1. Endanger my family, myself, and the police by being a stubborn, unreasonable jackass.

I mean, how much of an unreasonable moron do you have to be to sit there and attempt to start a gunfight with a squad of officers because "muh' rights!" It just tells me you're the kind of moron who shouldn't be packing a BB gun, much less anything that carries powder.

Im not saying the actions he took were in his best interest, but just pointing out your statement as a slippery slope.

What if the day comes when you get your guns taken and then there is no recourse as you explain? Nothing, they're gone and not coming back. What will you say after when you realize you have just been stripped of an essential freedom?
 

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Not exactly talking about the instance in this video but just the new laws in general and what amazes me when no crime is committed your 2nd amendment right apparently can be overruled by anyone and then your basically guilty until you prove yourself innocent, That to me is scary. Now if people are making a call to action (violence) claim or actually committing a crime that's a different story.
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No amount of need to "protect my Constitutional Rights" is going to make me want to risk my family's safety, and that of peace officers just doing their jobs.

If someone flags me (not that this law will EVER pass in AZ):
  1. I'll hand them over peacefully.
  2. Find out why and what I did to get flagged.
  3. If justified, maybe seek help?
  4. If bad call or prank? I get rich suing someone.
  5. If bad law or application of the law? See #4.
Things I won't do:
  1. Endanger my family, myself, and the police by being a stubborn, unreasonable jackass.

I mean, how much of an unreasonable moron do you have to be to sit there and attempt to start a gunfight with a squad of officers because "muh' rights!" It just tells me you're the kind of moron who shouldn't be packing a BB gun, much less anything that carries powder.
Never say never. AZ is on there way to blue these days.
 

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Im not saying the actions he took were in his best interest, but just pointing out your statement as a slippery slope.

What if the day comes when you get your guns taken and then there is no recourse as you explain? Nothing, they're gone and not coming back. What will you say after when you realize you have just been stripped of an essential freedom?

Exactly, this is a very slippery slope indeed, kinda reminds me of the civil forfeiture laws many states have on the books. You can have possessions, money seized under the presumption it’s connected to criminal activity, this is all before a conviction or even an indictment/charges. Good luck on ever getting that shit back too, even if you have cleared your name, better have a damn good attorney. There have been cases where laws like these are abused and folks have cars, money taken without ever being charged with a crime.
 
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Exactly, this is very slippery slope, kinda reminds me of the civil forfeiture laws many states have on the books. You can have possessions, money seized under the presumption it’s connected to criminal activity, this is all before a conviction or even an indictment/charges. Good luck on ever getting that shit back too, even if you have cleared your name, better have a damn good attorney. There have been cases where laws like these are abused and folks have cars, money taken without ever being charged with a crime.

This is why firearm insurance policies will sometimes get you a new replacement firearm immediately because as soon as a case is opened, whether it isnself defense or not, your gun(s) are going bye bye for a long time until the matter is cleared up.

But the biggest threat is that as we are saying, this can all be done under the presumption of "public safety" through unconstitutional laws passed by anti-gun politicians or in liberal states voting in unconstitutional initiatives which we are about to experience firsthand here in Washington with the new initiative that passed.

And as idiotic as this man's actions may seem, his should serve as a warning to police that not everyone is going to lie down and take it. So maybe some of these LEOs willing to go along with such laws will reconsider the methods at which they will approach this in the future in order to spare their lives and the lives of the accused.
 

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No amount of need to "protect my Constitutional Rights" is going to make me want to risk my family's safety, and that of peace officers just doing their jobs.

If someone flags me (not that this law will EVER pass in AZ):
  1. I'll hand them over peacefully.
  2. Find out why and what I did to get flagged.
  3. If justified, maybe seek help?
  4. If bad call or prank? I get rich suing someone.
  5. If bad law or application of the law? See #4.
Things I won't do:
  1. Endanger my family, myself, and the police by being a stubborn, unreasonable jackass.

I mean, how much of an unreasonable moron do you have to be to sit there and attempt to start a gunfight with a squad of officers because "muh' rights!" It just tells me you're the kind of moron who shouldn't be packing a BB gun, much less anything that carries powder.

1. It is disheartening that you are so quick to throw away your rights. Follow your logic and where are you willing to draw the line, Where are you willing to stand up, which would you die to protect.
2. Arizona, the state of Flake, McCain, and now Sinima (sp) is on the fast ack to turn dark blue very soon. Mostly because of transplants and empathetic citizens.
As for

  1. I'll hand them over peacefully. You should read Night by Elie Wiesel. They too were cooperatize citizens such as yourself
  2. Find out why and what I did to get flagged. Again I say your a danger because of your angry post above. Good enough.
  3. If justified, maybe seek help? You freely gave away your rights. I assume you'd put the same effort in trying to restore them
  4. If bad call or prank? I get rich suing someone. Immunity, you're ****ed.
  5. If bad law or application of the law? See #4. See above

 

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Exactly, this is a very slippery slope indeed, kinda reminds me of the civil forfeiture laws many states have on the books. You can have possessions, money seized under the presumption it’s connected to criminal activity, this is all before a conviction or even an indictment/charges. Good luck on ever getting that shit back too, even if you have cleared your name, better have a damn good attorney. There have been cases where laws like these are abused and folks have cars, money taken without ever being charged with a crime.
Some people get it, some people don't.
 

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1. It is disheartening that you are so quick to throw away your rights. Follow your logic and where are you willing to draw the line, Where are you willing to stand up, which would you die to protect.
2. Arizona, the state of Flake, McCain, and now Sinima (sp) is on the fast ack to turn dark blue very soon. Mostly because of transplants and empathetic citizens.
As for

  1. I'll hand them over peacefully. You should read Night by Elie Wiesel. They too were cooperatize citizens such as yourself
  2. Find out why and what I did to get flagged. Again I say your a danger because of your angry post above. Good enough.
  3. If justified, maybe seek help? You freely gave away your rights. I assume you'd put the same effort in trying to restore them
  4. If bad call or prank? I get rich suing someone. Immunity, you're ****ed.
  5. If bad law or application of the law? See #4. See above


My rights won't matter if I'm dead, brah. Neither will it matter to my family if they get hurt directly or indirectly by me being a stubborn jackass.

You go feel free to shoot your way out of a police standoff. I'll be watching, popcorn in hand.

Also: Don't confuse my common sense and survival instincts for either complicity and/or complacency. I'm just smart enough to know that I can't fight when I'm dead.
 

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My rights won't matter if I'm dead, brah. Neither will it matter to my family if they get hurt directly or indirectly by me being a stubborn jackass.

You go feel free to shoot your way out of a police standoff. I'll be watching, popcorn in hand.

Also: Don't confuse my common sense and survival instincts for either complicity and/or complacency. I'm just smart enough to know that I can't fight when I'm dead.

Many men like you didn't want to make a scene as the went into the showers/Trains, etc.s
 

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My rights won't matter if I'm dead, brah. Neither will it matter to my family if they get hurt directly or indirectly by me being a stubborn jackass.

You go feel free to shoot your way out of a police standoff. I'll be watching, popcorn in hand.

Also: Don't confuse my common sense and survival instincts for either complicity and/or complacency. I'm just smart enough to know that I can't fight when I'm dead.

I dont think you are grasping what everyone is saying. The one and only time your rights are stripped like this may be the last time you see them, and your reaponse it to just comply. Right now we are the frogs in the water with the temperature being turned up and you are saying stay in the water and comply because you believe the temperature will either be turned down or will never boil you to death. That does not equate to survival instincts either.
 

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This law is bad because there are too many people in the world that think they know better.

Case in point.. A kid on the football team I coach got a concussion. One of his neighbors reported child abuse because of it. Guess what, CPS showed up at his house and arrested his mom. True story. It was all settled out, but other than "It was a neighbor", they don't have to come forward with their false allegation. This all started because his mom told one of the other neighbors that he had a concussion from football. We suppose that the story got around in the game of "telephone" that he was "hit in the head". That somehow made some asshat think that his mom had hit him, and then she called the cops. This is how twisted these laws can get if we are not careful.
 

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This law is bad because there are too many people in the world that think they know better.

Case in point.. A kid on the football team I coach got a concussion. One of his neighbors reported child abuse because of it. Guess what, CPS showed up at his house and arrested his mom. True story. It was all settled out, but other than "It was a neighbor", they don't have to come forward with their false allegation. This all started because his mom told one of the other neighbors that he had a concussion from football. We suppose that the story got around in the game of "telephone" that he was "hit in the head". That somehow made some asshat think that his mom had hit him, and then she called the cops. This is how twisted these laws can get if we are not careful.

If they are going to take reports like that from neighbors or family then I would say there needs to be a thorough investigation done on that person to find out what they actually know and their motives, and they should be held liable if their claims are false.
 

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If they are going to take reports like that from neighbors or family then I would say there needs to be a thorough investigation done on that person to find out what they actually know and their motives, and they should be held liable if their claims are false.

Good luck having that happen. Take away rights 1st. Ask questions later.
 

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My rights won't matter if I'm dead, brah. Neither will it matter to my family if they get hurt directly or indirectly by me being a stubborn jackass.

You go feel free to shoot your way out of a police standoff. I'll be watching, popcorn in hand.

Also: Don't confuse my common sense and survival instincts for either complicity and/or complacency. I'm just smart enough to know that I can't fight when I'm dead.

Understand your point (and agree to an extent) but I hope you realize what’s to come if the masses thought exactly like you (many many many already do).

The Country was Founded by people who sacrificed themselves and their families for the greater good.

It’s not a fairy tale or a story told only in books. It actually happened and was only a short couple hundred years ago where men stood for something and would lay down their life and die for it if need be.


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LAVOY FINICUM ,right or wrong in some opinion , I think this is someone we have all heard about., that stood to the end for his rights .
No record of any kind , just a man that understood , what our founding g fathers meant .

And his actions ended up revealing how crooked the feds are and how far they would go to impose their authority. His case was just another example of that when you include what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Through compartmentalization and even lies the governement is able to convince the agents in the field to carry out their agenda as the agents think they are dealing with threats as opposed to patriots or just people wanting to lives with some semblance of freedom. The government has no interest in distinguishing the two so they treat them all the same and it often ends up in disaster as a true patriots convictions prepare them to fight and die for their freedoms.
 

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No amount of need to "protect my Constitutional Rights" is going to make me want to risk my family's safety, and that of peace officers just doing their jobs.

If someone flags me (not that this law will EVER pass in AZ):
  1. I'll hand them over peacefully.
  2. Find out why and what I did to get flagged.
  3. If justified, maybe seek help?
  4. If bad call or prank? I get rich suing someone.
  5. If bad law or application of the law? See #4.
Things I won't do:
  1. Endanger my family, myself, and the police by being a stubborn, unreasonable jackass.

I mean, how much of an unreasonable moron do you have to be to sit there and attempt to start a gunfight with a squad of officers because "muh' rights!" It just tells me you're the kind of moron who shouldn't be packing a BB gun, much less anything that carries powder.
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No amount of need to "protect my Constitutional Rights" is going to make me want to risk my family's safety, and that of peace officers just doing their jobs.

If someone flags me (not that this law will EVER pass in AZ):
  1. I'll hand them over peacefully.
  2. Find out why and what I did to get flagged.
  3. If justified, maybe seek help?
  4. If bad call or prank? I get rich suing someone.
  5. If bad law or application of the law? See #4.
Things I won't do:
  1. Endanger my family, myself, and the police by being a stubborn, unreasonable jackass.

I mean, how much of an unreasonable moron do you have to be to sit there and attempt to start a gunfight with a squad of officers because "muh' rights!" It just tells me you're the kind of moron who shouldn't be packing a BB gun, much less anything that carries powder.
...and this is how Hitler gained control of Germany and became a nightmare of epic proportions.

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Here is a potential way that the scenario played out....

Just thinking here.. What if they asked him to hand over his gun.. He then grabbed it off of the table to hand to them, and they took that as an aggressive move and shot him...?
 

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Here is a potential way that the scenario played out....

Just thinking here.. What if they asked him to hand over his gun.. He then grabbed it off of the table to hand to them, and they took that as an aggressive move and shot him...?

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