Gun Guys.... Suppressors

Here's a question I actually have on this. Are most of the suppressors on the market threaded or is there a lot of them that slip on and have the clip your turn to lock it? My Knights Armament was a slip on as were their suppressors that came with the MK11s we were issued. My Rugged Surge and every other suppressor I have shot as a civilian has been threaded. I think I like the slip ons better.

CV355 said:

Depends on the construction. That's why barrel length is a factor in magnum rounds. And handloading anything to be "subsonic" is asking for trouble. 5.56 subsonic has roughly the same (or less) kinetic energy as 22lr so it's essentially a waste. 300wm subsonic runs a VERY good chance of getting lodged in the barrel. 300wm is a notorious barrel melter, so those flights are tight to begin with.

That's why cartridges like 300blk were developed- much safer.

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I would seriously rethink this entire post. Take the time to do the math, even using a hot .22 vs a lighter 5.56 sub in the 77gr range...physics don’t lie. I don’t know how many times I hear someone at the range trying to recite that wives tale. The real question is moreso why, because the cost is outrageous?

As far as reloading subs, my friends and I have been doing it for close to a decade now without squibs. I don’t honestly understand the point of a 300wm sub anyhow, but my .308 with anything from 150-220gr subs has never let me down. Good powder and proper loading, like Trailboss has never let us down and there are thousands who have the same opinion. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist and special equipment, and it’s not as if the major ammo manufacturers can do something you can’t, they’re just faster.

And the blackout was developed for the military, though the whisper was really a do-all design originally. The safer moniker has nada to do with the development reasoning in this case.

svtfocus2cobra said:

Here's a question I actually have on this. Are most of the suppressors on the market threaded or is there a lot of them that slip on and have the clip your turn to lock it? My Knights Armament was a slip on as were their suppressors that came with the MK11s we were issued. My Rugged Surge and every other suppressor I have shot as a civilian has been threaded. I think I like the slip ons better.

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Depends on what you buy, and you can have many converted to quick mount after the fact. I’ve had my Gemtechs for a while, and I like the fact that I can use the same suppressor between multiple calibers using their bi-lock system. It locks up tight, is relatively easy to clean and has repeatable poi and then counts for a lot.

Junior00 said:

I would seriously rethink this entire post. Take the time to do the math, even using a hot .22 vs a lighter 5.56 sub in the 77gr range...physics don’t lie.

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If we want to get extremely technical, sure there is a difference.
Low Velocity .22LR: 2.6g @ 320m/s vs
.223 (SS): 3.5g @ 330m/s.. ~130j vs 190j
Compared to a normal 9mm ~470j
Compared to normal 5.56 ~1850j

Can you load subsonic 223 or 5.56 and it be lethal? Absolutely. But the margin of calculation error and variation puts you in roughly the same territory as .22lr.

It's a massive reduction in kinetic energy no matter how you look at it. The only way to get kinetic energy back up when at or near subsonic speed is to increase mass.

I'm not saying that a competent reloader will always wind up with squibs- I'm saying that the risk is there because your working pressures are vastly different. You and I both know how hard it is to press a lodged bullet out of a barrel.

I'm a huge fan of my Dead Air Sandman S. Rated up to 300wsm with no barrel length restrictions. Also FA rated. IMO the Keymo QD system is the best in the industry.

Easiest buying experience? Silencershop kiosk by far.

CV355 said:

Can you load subsonic 223 or 5.56 and it be lethal? Absolutely. But the margin of calculation error and variation puts you in roughly the same territory as .22lr.

It's a massive reduction in kinetic energy no matter how you look at it. The only way to get kinetic energy back up when at or near subsonic speed is to increase mass.

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Agreed...on the energy reduction but not on the .22lr comparison, which is why I pointed out your original comment. For instance,

Subsonic 9mm 147gr(9.52g) @ 1050fps = 488j
Subsonic 5.56 120gr(7.78g) @ 1050fps = 399j
Subsonic .22lr 60gr(3.88g) @ 950fps = 162j* & @ 1050fps = 200j (Theor.)
High Velocity .22lr 40gr(2.59g) @ 1200fps = 175j
*Used Aguila's published numbers because I don't know of anyone who reloads rimfire, or anyone who pushes it faster.

Even a lighter subsonic 5.56 (77gr) is ~1.5x the energy of high velocity 22lr. While the energies we're talking here are minuscule in comparison to a larger caliber rifle, it is worth noting. If you want to discount the 5.56 subsonic as unremarkable and of no use, then the 9mm subsonic as used in covert operations is also by that same token. I know where you're coming from though, it's more a question of why when you can suppress larger calibers more easily.

The 300blk came more out of a function of reliability. 5.56 subs simply don't cycle a semi easily, not to mention that the 300 provides more energy in the same package among other things. When we talk reloading, it becomes more challenging as well, especially for the beginner as most probably don't have the appropriate scales or won't take the appropriate time to ensure consistent loads when you're already using such small amounts of powder.

Either way, for most of us, it's all for the fun!

My first supressor should be mine soon!

300BLK rifle from Hardened Arms. Filled the paperwork out in FebruaryI believe

Wish suppressors were legal in illinois, I want one so bad.

svtfocus2cobra said:

I would add weight to considerations also. Not that you would have to do it with normal sport shooting, but say in some serious scenario you have to hold on a position for an extended period of time, maybe a security posture, it can suck pretty bad trying to hold the rifle up for that long lol. They add a lot of weight to the front and my Knights Armament can was made of thick steel, it was really heavy duty.

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Proper sling and stock adjustment can support the weight of the rifle quite well.

OK Bozos, stop clowning around.

DaleM said:

Proper sling and stock adjustment can support the weight of the rifle quite well.

OK Bozos, stop clowning around.

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That's true. Im thinking back on a very specific instance we used to drill where if you fell into the security posture you had to hold looking about 45 degrees upwards on an overhead area so your sling was taken out of play. The easiest method was mounting your support hand on the beam you were covered on but damn, was it tiring because you were there until the rest of the team cleared the structure. At least 10-15min. You could find relief from different adjustments but it eventually got tiring no matter what, it was just really grueling. There was a big difference between having a suppressor equipped and not because we already had PEQs and large Surefires equipped so there was just a lot of weight on the front.

Us snipers used telescopic poles for support. I bet a similar system integrated into or attached to the rail system could be used to place against your vest or waist would work other than having to deal with your diaphram. Ine more piece of lightweight gear, lol.

DaleM said:

Us snipers used telescopic poles for support. I bet a similar system integrated into or attached to the rail system could be used to place against your vest or waist would work other than having to deal with your diaphram. Ine more piece of lightweight gear, lol.

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The stuff they are coming out with now would probably have helped a lot, but I have never done anything that's more brutal on gear than a CQB role. I think I used to go through a sling and gloves every month or so because none of the metal sling attachments could handle the constant movement of drilling every day and would just grind down to nothing. Threads in gloves would come undone, and believe it or not I even broke my suppressor lol. The locking clip popped off and when I asked the armor for needle-nose pliers to put it back on he took it and stored it away saying I wasn't allowed to do that. I never should have trusted him haha.

We were already stacked with equipment so we were pretty much maxed out at 65lbs with just our kits, not including rifle and pistol. Any addition equipment would either be too much or it would get brutalized during clearing. It would have to be light, durable, and simple, but that could be a neat little device to create. Have it telescope off your belt or kit and attach and lock to your rail or something and then a quick release and retract back to your body.

svtfocus2cobra said:

The stuff they are coming out with now would probably have helped a lot, but I have never done anything that's more brutal on gear than a CQB role. I think I used to go through a sling and gloves every month or so because none of the metal sling attachments could handle the constant movement of drilling every day and would just grind down to nothing. Threads in gloves would come undone, and believe it or not I even broke my suppressor lol. The locking clip popped off and when I asked the armor for needle-nose pliers to put it back on he took it and stored it away saying I wasn't allowed to do that. I never should have trusted him haha.

We were already stacked with equipment so we were pretty much maxed out at 65lbs with just our kits, not including rifle and pistol. Any addition equipment would either be too much or it would get brutalized during clearing. It would have to be light, durable, and simple, but that could be a neat little device to create. Have it telescope off your belt or kit and attach and lock to your rail or something and then a quick release and retract back to your body.

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Have your R and D guys work with Kramer or Bod pod and propose such a thing. Or make one yourself and get rich off all the special ops and infantry guys.

OK Bozos, stop clowning around.

CobraBob said:

Speaking of suppressors, I'm looking at picking up a Swarm Magnum .22 Cal high power single cocking break barrel air rifle, 1300 fps with PBA Platinum 22 cal. pellets. We've got a squirrel population in the back area of our lot (wooded area) that is growing and they're tearing up our yard as they search for nuts (I guess). This is not a cheap air rifle, but I like that it's high velocity and very quiet with the built in suppressor. It would be fun plinking those pesky squirrels.

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Make sure you try out the nitro spring piston air rifles before you buy. While hi-power and relatively easy single break barrel cocking - the kickback and weight takes away the accuracy and fun factor. Not a fan of my NP2.

Recommended for what you want (many scope options, easy to hand pump, 24 good shots per fill, 8 shot clip, great trigger, super light weight, zero kick, assembled in USA):

Benjamin Marauder Air Pistol (.22)

DaleM said:

Have your R and D guys work with Kramer or Bod pod and propose such a thing. Or make one yourself and get rich off all the special ops and infantry guys.

OK Bozos, stop clowning around.

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If I was still in maybe. I feel like it would be frowned upon for being lazy, at least that would be the attitude of Marines lol.

Just say, SEAL Team 6 approved.

DaleM said:

Just say, SEAL Team 6 approved.

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Or I can do infomercials like Chris Paronto and say "This is what the Rangers use!"

Road guards for Delta. Nah, seals or bust.