2013 GT500 VMP Gen3 TVS results.

Streetpwr281 · Sep 15, 2018

Turbo98GT said:
I think your failing to see the 20% lower. His main rotor speed on that Whipple is 20k rpm, 32K for his small rotor. Not maxed out yet but at 95% of its max RPM.

A better analogy is like running 100m dash at 95% speed.

I see very clearly. Just spin the Whipple and then let’s compare. Racers using recommended max for components seems like an oxymoron. Push that shit and let’s see what it does!!! Hell, I run more aggressive pulley combo on my daily driven Whipple 2.9 combo.

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2011 gtcs · Sep 15, 2018

Turbo98GT said:
I asked Lund to race me in the Roll Racing class since his car is also a pure street car (no cage, no badass axles, etc) . Would be a fun race

Now that would a race to see, it would be a drivers race and who ever has the most traction.

Turbo98GT · Sep 15, 2018

Streetpwr281 said:
I see very clearly. Just spin the Whipple and then let’s compare. Racers using recommended max for components seems like an oxymoron. Push that shit and let’s see what it does!!! Hell, I run more aggressive pulley combo on my daily driven Whipple 2.9 combo.

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The overall issue is the Whipple run was done at Whipples manufacturing MAX whereas the VMP was well over the manufacturer max. You won't see many people pushing either blower at these RPMs. It would actually be more realistic to put a 2.6" pulley on the VMP to do a comparison vs putting a 2.75 on the whipple and going beyond their manufacturers max

Turbo98GT · Sep 15, 2018

2011 gtcs said:
Now that would a race to see, it would be a drivers race and who ever has the most traction.

Right!!!

Streetpwr281 · Sep 15, 2018

Turbo98GT said:
The overall issue is the Whipple run was done at Whipples manufacturing MAX whereas the VMP was well over the manufacturer max. You won't see many people pushing either blower at these RPMs. It would actually be more realistic to put a 2.6" pulley on the VMP to do a comparison vs putting a 2.75 on the whipple and going beyond their manufacturers max

BINGO!!!

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biminiLX · Sep 17, 2018

Klaus said:
So, a factory TVS out traps a 2.9 whipple in the 1/4 w/ 2* less timing and 700 less engine RPM? Hmmm.

It's called average power/average TORQUE.
Gotta move these heavy cars AND unless you keep it in a small rpm window where the Whipple does do well, the TVS does have some advantages.
Looking forward to the next comparison as well as seeing the Lund beast on the track.
True story, when I just got my '14 I took it 100% stock to race at Norwalk NMRA 2013. I met Jon Lund Sr with his silver car shown in the 1100rwhp dyno, and we raced together, my 600 mile '14 against his 700 mile '13.
After running 11.94 I followed him to their pit and he personally flashed my car.
Cool 5 years later to see where we've taken things!
I wish them the best with it and I'm happy to see this blower make the 1100+rwhp I knew it could boost onl.
Can't wait to see them all together at Mod Nats, thanks again for promoting it Justin!
-J

biminiLX · Sep 17, 2018

Streetpwr281 said:
BINGO!!!

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Also waiting to see the comparison with the 2.9 being pushed harder, but from what I know they ran it as recommended by Whipple.
Either way, both blowers are great options and we really are spoiled with options.
-J

csvt98 · Sep 20, 2018

If one was to do a built motor would it be smarter to go with a big KB 3.6LC or bigger or will the VMP still crank out 1,200+ rwhp?

Klaus · Sep 20, 2018

csvt98 said:
If one was to do a built motor would it be smarter to go with a big KB 3.6LC or bigger or will the VMP still crank out 1,200+ rwhp?

If you putting up the $ to build a motor capable of of 1200 whp you would be better off coughing up for 4/4.5/hellion TT. Latter would be my choice. I would not even consider the 2650.

csvt98 · Sep 20, 2018

Klaus said:
If you putting up the $ to build a motor capable of of 1200 whp you would be better off coughing up for 4/4.5/hellion TT. Latter would be my choice. I would not even consider the 2650.

True lol.

boduke0220 · Sep 20, 2018

I’d still go with the VMP. Easier on the motor and probably just as fast if not faster. One of the faster stick cars is tungsten Shelby running 9.0x with a 4.7 Kenne Bell. Garauntee a 2.65 could do that no problem

2011 gtcs · Sep 20, 2018

csvt98 said:
If one was to do a built motor would it be smarter to go with a big KB 3.6LC or bigger or will the VMP still crank out 1,200+ rwhp?

It honestly depends on your goals for the car, the 3.6KB doesnt have that low end TQ the TVS does, but on the top end it pulls like crazy. If you're more looking for a badass fun street car the TVS 2650 might be better for you. If you want to do mile racing maybe the 3.6kb would be better. All I will say is bigger isn't always better.

Turbo98GT · Sep 21, 2018

IMO, if you want 1150 or more... with room to grow, 3.6 may be the the way to go but get it double keyed, larger crank bolt and highly recommend the billet crank from Accufab. Under 1150 (which is 99.9999%), 2.65 all the way. If you are about that car show life, do what you will.

The 2.65 is just a more efficient setup in regards to using the least amount of power to turn it and cost efficient for the extra engines mods needed to run the 3.6 KB safetly.

biminiLX · Sep 21, 2018

2011 gtcs said:
It honestly depends on your goals for the car, the 3.6KB doesnt have that low end TQ the TVS does, but on the top end it pulls like crazy. If you're more looking for a badass fun street car the TVS 2650 might be better for you. If you want to do mile racing maybe the 3.6kb would be better. All I will say is bigger isn't always better.

Completely true.
I looked at it long and hard at going 4.0L or bigger and for my goals I thought it was too much stress on the crank for drag racing and power shifting.
As Steve mentioned, it's all about your goals and the 2650 TVS punches above its weight class, mainly due to the torque and low boost response, where people forget that average torque in your racing rpm range means acceleration
-J

CD07GT500 · May 7, 2019

Bump.... Does anybody have any results with the 5.4/2650?

2011 gtcs · May 7, 2019

red3v said:
Bump.... Does anybody have any results with the 5.4/2650?

CD07GT500 · May 7, 2019

2011 gtcs said:

I should have been more specific. What are people seeing out of more serious combos.

Klaus · May 7, 2019

red3v said:
I should have been more specific. What are people seeing out of more serious combos.

I had the gen3 for a bit. With LTs, 124 CAI, twin 68 I made 680 on 91. Same set up with gen 2r was 660.

CD07GT500 · May 7, 2019

Klaus said:
I had the gen3 for a bit. With LTs, 124 CAI, twin 68 I made 680 on 91. Same set up with gen 2r was 660.

Why did you get rid of it?

2011 gtcs · May 8, 2019

Klaus said:
I had the gen3 for a bit. With LTs, 124 CAI, twin 68 I made 680 on 91. Same set up with gen 2r was 660.

What size pulley and fuel were you using.

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