Remains of U of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts found...killer was illegal immigrant

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to the people asking for data here ya go, For people saying I get my news from msnbc, and i'm drinknig the Koolaid LOL I'm a research nut and I follow the actual data from research and then draw my own conclusions. Not sure if you will have access to everything as I still get access to most scientific sites through family. (gf and family in scientific research fields) People really need to learn to research online in general better. Sure you can get your first source from a mainstream media (that often sucks) but then look where are they getting there data from? Who is gathering the data? Who paid for the data/research? Has it been peer reviewed? What's the consensus?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1745-9125.12175

Criminal Immigrants in Texas: Illegal Immigrant Conviction and Arrest Rates for Homicide, Sexual Assault, Larceny, and Other Crimes

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15377938.2016.1261057

Uniform Crime Reporting - awesome resource in general for crime stats fyi

The immigration–crime relationship: Evidence across US metropolitan areas - ScienceDirect

https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/9

The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_208KBCC.pdf
With the exception of the UCR that's an impressive list of slanted sources. The mission statement of two of them flat out tells you they're not non-partisan. I was surprised to see the Cato institute on that list. That takes some balls to try and pass them off as non-partisaned truth seekers give their past and current share holders.

The American Immigration Council link was the most humorous. That link doesn't differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants in their data. Walter Ewing is about as far from non-partisaned as you can get and his "research" generally reflects that. I love how his sources are his own research. He never has an answer for why illegal immigrants represent crimes far more disproportionate than their population, he'd rather manipulate statistics to prove his ideologies.
 

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With the exception of the UCR that's an impressive list of slanted sources. The mission statement of two of them flat out tells you they're not non-partisan. I was surprised to see the Cato institute on that list. That takes some balls to try and pass them off as non-partisaned truth seekers give their past and current share holders.

The American Immigration Council link was the most humorous. That link doesn't differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants in their data. Walter Ewing is about as far from non-partisaned as you can get and his "research" generally reflects that. I love how his sources are his own research. He never has an answer for why illegal immigrants represent crimes far more disproportionate than their population, he'd rather manipulate statistics to prove his ideologies.
What's incredibly ironic is that he makes the claim that illegal immigrants statistically have a lower crime rate, ignoring the fact that their true crime rate is actually 100%.

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to the people asking for data here ya go, For people saying I get my news from msnbc, and i'm drinknig the Koolaid LOL I'm a research nut and I follow the actual data from research and then draw my own conclusions. Not sure if you will have access to everything as I still get access to most scientific sites through family. (gf and family in scientific research fields) People really need to learn to research online in general better. Sure you can get your first source from a mainstream media (that often sucks) but then look where are they getting there data from? Who is gathering the data? Who paid for the data/research? Has it been peer reviewed? What's the consensus?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1745-9125.12175

Criminal Immigrants in Texas: Illegal Immigrant Conviction and Arrest Rates for Homicide, Sexual Assault, Larceny, and Other Crimes

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15377938.2016.1261057

Uniform Crime Reporting - awesome resource in general for crime stats fyi

The immigration–crime relationship: Evidence across US metropolitan areas - ScienceDirect

https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/9

The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_208KBCC.pdf

You should send this to the Tibbetts family and all other families who were victims of people here illegally and tell them this should make them feel much better about illegal aliens and they should be much more concerned about Americans citizens. I'm sure they would appreciate it.
 

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Well, this is all that will be covered on Fox News for a week...and all of the liberal stations just started talking about the plastic straw ban again.

BUILD THE ****ING WALL!

Another piece of shit illegal trash. GTFO!!!!
This wall cannot be built fast enough. Keep the garbage out!

Does any one still wonder why illegals are hated by law-abiding and law supporting individuals?

RIP. Build the wall.


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CNN has the story on the right hand side: And he's a "undocumented immigrant" can't use Illegal !

Each time this happens I await the day karma strikes prominent pro-illegal alien democrats when the victim ends up being their child. That's what needs to happen in order for them to open their eyes.


Saw this on the news this morning. "Undocumented Immigrant" PC BS. The media refuses to use the word "illegal." Plus it got about 8 seconds of air time, then it jumped right to a 4 minute segment on sports (or the modern opiate of the people as I call it)

Anyone who feels the need to soften the description of someone who is here illegally, especially one who commits a heinous murder, should be deported along with the illegal.

Even "politically" in PC is a misuse of the term.

Awful tragedy that could have been avoided.

Being committed by an illegal alien is the DemocRATS and liberal media's worst nightmare. After being headlines since the start watch how quick this gets buried on the liberal media news outlets now.

The left always argues that these people don't commit that many crimes, like there is an acceptable number.

That illegal should get the needle.

I'm sorry, but you guys are all idiots. That he is an illegal immigrant has nothing to do with this, to be quite frank. In case you forgot, a white man (a U.S. citizen, at that) just murdered his family in Colorado (which included LITTLE GIRLS, minors, individuals who probably had no idea that someone could do such a terrible thing). Moreover, people are getting shot and killed in various parts of our country on a daily basis, by other U.S. citizens. Just look at Chicago, for example.

This man, illegal or legal, is just a stone-cold killer. Being here illegally doesn't automatically mean that you have a greater propensity to kill someone else. Get out of here with that political talk. Someone died at the hands of another. Point blank period.
 

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I'm sorry, but you guys are all idiots. That he is an illegal immigrant has nothing to do with this, to be quite frank. In case you forgot, a white man (a U.S. citizen, at that) just murdered his family in Colorado (which included LITTLE GIRLS, minors, individuals who probably had no idea that someone could do such a terrible thing). Moreover, people are getting shot and killed in various parts of our country on a daily basis, by other U.S. citizens. Just look at Chicago, for example.

This man, illegal or legal, is just a stone-cold killer. Being here illegally doesn't automatically mean that you have a greater propensity to kill someone else. Get out of here with that political talk. Someone died at the hands of another. Point blank period.

Cool....now tell me, would he have been able to kill anyone on US soil if he weren't allowed into the country in the first place, as he shouldn't have been?

Before you go insulting everyone else's intelligence, you oughta look in the mirror.
 

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Cool....now tell me, would he have been able to kill anyone on US soil if he weren't allowed into the country in the first place, as he shouldn't have been?

Before you go insulting everyone else's intelligence, you oughta look in the mirror.


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Cool....now tell me, would he have been able to kill anyone on US soil if he weren't allowed into the country in the first place, as he shouldn't have been?

And how do you know that, exactly? How do you know that he couldn't have entered into the United States legally? Because the news tells you so? The kid killed someone and would have probably done it irrespective of his status as legal or illegal.
 

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And how do you know that, exactly? How do you know that he couldn't have entered into the United States legally? Because the news tells you so? The kid killed someone and would have probably done it irrespective of his status as legal or illegal.

Are we arguing hypotheticals now?

To say your argument is weak would be an understatement.

We don’t care what he does unless it affects Americans.

Sorry, nothing personal, it’s just business.
 

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I'm sorry, but you guys are all idiots. That he is an illegal immigrant has nothing to do with this

And good day to you too sir.

Funny how you say illegal immigration has nothing to do with this.

Every single crime committed by an illegal immigrant wouldn't have happened if that immigrant wasn't here illegally!!

Illegal immigrants make up 27% of all federal prisons.
 

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Are we arguing hypotheticals now?

To say your argument is weak would be an understatement.

We don’t care what he does unless it affects Americans.

Sorry, nothing personal, it’s just business.

I'm arguing hypotheticals because it has been assumed that he wouldn't have killed this girl if he weren't here illegally. He didn't just wake up one day and say, "hey, I'm here illegally, let me go find a girl to kill today."

And good day to you too sir.

Funny how you say illegal immigration has nothing to do with this.

Every single crime committed by an illegal immigrant wouldn't have happened if that immigrant wasn't here illegally!!

Illegal immigrants make up 27% of all federal prisons.

And so that means that the other 83% of the prison population is taken up by U.S. Citizens.
 

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And how do you know that, exactly? How do you know that he couldn't have entered into the United States legally? Because the news tells you so? The kid killed someone and would have probably done it irrespective of his status as legal or illegal.

Pretty sure every news source, even your beloved left wing, national enquirer-esque sources, are reporting him as an illegal immigrant or "undocumented". So yeah, I got that tidbit from the news. If you have intel they don't, indicating he's here legally, maybe you should go all Anderson Cooper on them and break some news. In the meantime, I'll believe them since this is one of the few instances they actually agree on something.

Regarding your second statement, if the laws on the books were enforced, he wouldn't have killed someone HERE, in the US, as in illegal immigrant. Can you seriously not put those two things together?

EDIT: No, I'm arguing he wouldn't have killed that girl IF HE COULDN'T GET IN THE COUNTRY!
 

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I'm arguing hypotheticals because it has been assumed that he wouldn't have killed this girl if he weren't here illegally. He didn't just wake up one day and say, "hey, I'm here illegally, let me go find a girl to kill today."



And so that means that the other 83% of the prison population is taken up by U.S. Citizens.

That means 3% of the countries population makes up over a quarter of the federal prison inmate population.

Yeah... kind of a problem.
 

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I'm sorry, but you guys are all idiots. That he is an illegal immigrant has nothing to do with this, to be quite frank. In case you forgot, a white man (a U.S. citizen, at that) just murdered his family in Colorado (which included LITTLE GIRLS, minors, individuals who probably had no idea that someone could do such a terrible thing). Moreover, people are getting shot and killed in various parts of our country on a daily basis, by other U.S. citizens. Just look at Chicago, for example.

This man, illegal or legal, is just a stone-cold killer. Being here illegally doesn't automatically mean that you have a greater propensity to kill someone else. Get out of here with that political talk. Someone died at the hands of another. Point blank period.

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I'm arguing hypotheticals because it has been assumed that he wouldn't have killed this girl if he weren't here illegally. He didn't just wake up one day and say, "hey, I'm here illegally, let me go find a girl to kill today."

You’re right in the fact that there are murderers, and people who will not commit murder. Correct. Not everyone is a psychopath.

However, if the man could not get here so easily illegally (like literally walking across the border, as they do now, or just merely stay after their visas expire)

It would have been much more difficult to commit said crimes wouldn’t it?
 

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This man, illegal or legal, is just a stone-cold killer. Being here illegally doesn't automatically mean that you have a greater propensity to kill someone else. Get out of here with that political talk. Someone died at the hands of another. Point blank period.
Statistically it does but I see the point you are trying to make. The problem with comparing that to the sicko that killed his family in Colorado is that this young woman's murder was preventable. Everyone here has a right to be mad about the government refusing to enforce its own laws and something like this happening as a result.
 

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