Normal to shoot out windshield?
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The tactical situation called for it, these were violent suspects that were firing on the pursuit vehicles. The officer did pretty damn good, would rather see him shoot thru his windshield with his dominate hand, than take a bad shot with his left out the window.
No, I wouldn’t say it’s “normal”. Necessary, yes.
We’ve never trained for it nor have I heard of any agency/dept train for it.
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We’ve never trained for it nor have I heard of any agency/dept train for it.
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There's a lot to know about shooting in and around vehicles. It's probably not considered normal for departments because rounds, especially 9mm, will be deflected off a few degrees upon impact in many cases. The times I have shot through a windshield in training, aiming center mass was putting rounds in the shoulders.
he won't be able to hear for awhile after that. he did do a good job of shooting. also shows the adrenaline affect when he tried to reload. I have never heard of any specific training for shooting from inside the vehicle thru the windshield.
I've seen videos of this before and it makes sense that shooting from the outside into a windshield would cause the point of impact to rise after passing thru. So I guess shooting from the other direction, inside the car outwards, would lower the point of impact?
We had our local swat team training at camp blanding and off hand was included. The SF guys had a great time with them and the swat team really had a blast.
I can't say I know the exact science of it, even though I should since I teach it, but it seems almost random to me as some shots will be on target. But obviously if you are putting rounds in tight groups on the glass your deflection will decrease as the glass weakens. Higher velocity rounds like an M855 5.56 go through with no issue, and along with a 3in slug, can pass through an entire vehicle as long as you avoid most areas of structural reinforcement.
9MM will slightly rise shooting from outside to inside of a windshield. The windshield is angled up, so the bullet will rise.
Vice versa.
Reminds me of the Oklahoma State Trooper who used his rifle through the windshield.
That was simply astounding. As a private citizen, I would have wanted him to break off pursuit as soon as initial shots fired. The danger level to civilians during that incident was through the roof, both from the chase AND from bullets (from perp and cop).
Kind of opposite. As the tip of the hits the glass from the inside it causes the heavier back side of the bullet to tumble upward.
If it strikes glass from the outside the heavier backside of the bullet tumbles down ward.
This is of course talking about the front windshield. The angle of incident determines the angle of deflection.
Or so I have been told, lol
I am like a stopped clock.
Right twice a day. lol
That's good to know. So the bullet tries it's best to enter perpendicular to the glass.
But what about if your angle to the windshield is more direct? The car I last shot through was an RSX so my angle to the windshield from the outside standing is more of a shot with a slight downward angle hitting the glass with a more perpendicular approach if shown on that description. I only really saw slight left and right deviation, not up and down. That picture would describe what you would experience from the inside or shooting at a larger vehicle.
That looked like a residential area, so getting into a gun fight rather than just pursuing seems like the safest route.
Glad it worked out the way it did. Our city is safer with those two hooligans off the streets.
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